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Monday, March 21, 2011
CHUCK 4.19: The Muuurder - Reactions
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What will happen with Agent X??? Why were there no previews for the next episode? I understand that Chuck won't be on next week, but with an ending like that one, we need more!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed it ! the suspense was just great! and No, there's NO WAY to Yvonne Strahovski being less than flawless .
ReplyDeleteOh so funny!!!! I thought it was great.. Little V is in for it now!! I do wonder what will happen next!!!
ReplyDeleteFelt like a kind of mehish, filler-type episode for me. There wasn't any real development in the overall plot until the last five or ten minutes of the episode.
ReplyDeleteAlso, does anyone know the song that was playing at the end of the episode?
P.S. Loved Kevin Bacon
im kinda missing the charah romantic part... a funny episode though. :) can't wait till next episode!!!
ReplyDeleteI liked it a lot, I'm just getting ticked that every time it seems Chuck's getting good, in comes another break.
ReplyDeleteDakota
I love chuck, but this episode was just... not good. For a whodunnit episode, I thought the mystery lacked... well intrigue. They seemed to sacrifice the spy plot to a poor attempt at funny with the wannabe chuck characters. It just seemed cheesy to me, and I think we all know that chuck is a great spy so general beckman and the rest of team b can now stop continually telling us. This seems to be a recurring theme in season 4 where the writers feel the need to blatantly spell things out for the viewers through dialogue instead of letting the action of the episode speak for itself. Things that I did like:
ReplyDelete- The ending (good cliffhanger)
- Chuck, Casey and Sarah eating milk and cookies after a mission
- Buy More plot (this was one of those rare occasions where I almost enjoyed it more than the spy plot)
- The role reversing twist that shows Ellie and Awesome keeping a secret from chuck (even though I kinda think their being irresponsible by not telling him, especially awesome who knows chuck is still a spy)
- Sarah putting her legs up on chuck's lap (it's such a small little thing, but I love stuff like this)
Well, I guess that lack of promo told us that a new episode of CHUCK is in two weeks. That was the best part of the episode.
ReplyDeleteIt felt like they took a few second rate CBS sitcom scripts and a new Family Guy script and put them in a blender for the "jokes" tonight.
ReplyDeleteI need to go rewatch last weeks Archer to cleanse my palate.
Yeah, not liking it so much. It felt like it should have come out so much funnier and better.
ReplyDelete"Chuck as leader" seems kind of forced. Murderer on the loose, Castle's half-destroyed, Chuck is freaking out, so...now is the perfect time to insist he take point? The leadership role against the murder mystery felt like a weird mishmash of themes that didn't quite work.
I know we want to push Chuck's growth but I really hate when they accomplish it cheaply by diminishing the other chars and their abilities, because that does turn Sarah into just the fiancee and Casey into just the brainless muscle. Casey and Sarah have several decades of combined experience on him. When the dookie hit the fan, Casey saying "Nah, it's yours, I had my shot at leadership and blew it" (considering he's been depicted as a strong leader previously) and Sarah just deferring (when she's proven more than capable of taking charge also) felt kind of weird. I kind of miss the freedom Chuck had to flail and fail sometimes in earlier seasons.
Some nice refs, jokes, and little moments but overall, it just didn't do it for me.
Cor
We didn't have a promo, but it did tell us to tune in for a new episode of Chuck in two weeks. That's a lot better than last time we had a break, and they didn't say anything at all.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the episode and can't wait to watch it again tomorrow. Kevin Bacon was hilarious. I am looking forward to seeing what Ellie is up to.
I actually though this was a great episode. it had me laughing all the way through. i didnt see the whole point in it though until the end so im glad that it all happened for a reason. does nbc want chuck to be cancelled? i ask that because i do not see ANY commercials for it ever and i see some for the event?!? and a lot for harry's law
ReplyDeletePatrick, it was funny at times, for sure... I laughed, but great? If I ever record the next podcast, I plan on giving it the lowest score ever (not counting the episode where I knocked off 20 points for Casey saying a banned term).
ReplyDeleteI may have stretched it a bit with the term great. But could it be any worse than chuck vs the aisle of terror? i dont recall what your grade was for that but im hoping this one is higher. What do you think the ratings will look like. O and by the way i would love to get one of those Buy More sweatsuits that Big Mike was wearing haha that was good.
ReplyDeleteThe Chuck clone was really cute. And I think this is the best I can say about the episode...
ReplyDeleteAisle of Terror was half horrible, half good. This was funny in places but I couldn't wait for it to end. I am more bothered when an episode of a show I love makes me look forward to it ending than I do with an episode that makes me angry.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that brought it down for me was just how much of a spaz Chuck was being in the first half. I know the point was to have him come through in the end and impress Robin Givens, but they were laying it on a bit thick. The episode started getting alot better once he pulled himself together and id'd the killer. Best part was the ending with Ellie and the computer. I really want to believe that Chuck is "Agent X", but that almost seems too obvious.
ReplyDeleteOh, rating? You mean the Nielsen rating? I would not be surprised if it is a 1.6 or even a 1.7.
ReplyDeleteMagnus, what was so wrong for you in this episode? Just a little info, before your podcast? .
ReplyDeleteTo me it was fun episode. I liked, but maybe the problem is in me
That sounds not terrible. I think the rating will be helped out a bit considering the cast for dancing with the stars this season is so terrible. When should we next expect to see Vivian ? or alex?
ReplyDeleteI didn't mind Chuck being a spaz. I mostly minded that every actor seemed to be mailing it in. And I don't mean mailing it in as in they sucked, but as in "let's just get through this episode."
ReplyDeleteIt reminded me of watching good actors struggle through Kevin Smith's dialogue (mind you, I love Kevin Smith, I just think his dialogue is often very theatrical).
Patrick, a couple of people have told me that they think this season of DWTS will not do as well because of the casting... and they could be right. But a part of me thinks that the crap casting will result in more people tuning in just to see how crappy it is.
ReplyDeleteWell they do have kendra from the playboy mansion... im assuming some people will tune in to see her. hope that doesnt come across as crude but its honest. What would life be like going up against two and a half men and maybe a bigger hit mike and molly? we are fortunate in some ways i guess.
ReplyDeleteJ says ...
ReplyDeleteWas the episode good ? Not really . Did I enjoy it ? Absotootly !
The Buy More stuff was way better than the spy stuff in this ep . I find in chuck episodes when the focus is on Chuck, Sarah and Casey the episodes are at there peak . But when multiple guest stars come in and the focus changes the episodes suffer . Cat Squad is an example for me . Too much focus on guest stars and not enough C/SC .
Kevin Bacon was hilarious and I love love love when Big Mike is doing Subway product placement other than that ...
J, I can agree with that. The Buy More stuff was better than the castle stuff. But even then, I felt it wasn't enjoyable enough to drown out my disappointment with the castle stuff. Though, there were funny moments in both. But watching it again, right now, I am noticing more of what my problem with the episode is... the pacing is off. A few scenes needed like a second cut off to punch up the humor.
ReplyDeleteIf you linger on a joke too long it can fall flat. I think this episode needed to be quicker on the trigger. Maybe it needed more coverage... something is off on those reaction shots.
Agreed with you on the actors, Magnus. We've seen Zach, Adam, and Yvonne (and the rest to some extent too) repeatedly manage to sell some less than quality stuff by sheer talent.
ReplyDeleteThey weren't bad and I wouldn't accuse them of not doing their jobs by any means. But I'm used to that note of authenticity from the cast obviously enjoying the material, or at least feeling it enough to connect, and that didn't seem to be there this week.
The plot and themes were all over the place, and the Big Three's characters and relationship felt off this week, so I can't exactly blame them if they found it hard to connect to the material.
Cor
Cor, yep. All told, it was a pretty off episode. Not one where I feel violated but I do feel like there was some inappropriate touching.
ReplyDeleteThat's a good way to put it.
ReplyDeleteAlso, when I think about it seeing your reminder about the 20 point hit "Masquerade" took, between that "Charah" and "Mama B" earlier in the season, predictions on another instance of Casey randomly being the Voice of Meta? Kind of surprised it didn't happen in this episode.
Cor
I love this episode. I think Chuck gets better and better. It was full of suspense and humor. I just love the ending with Ellie. Can't wait to see what happens next.
ReplyDeleteStrange. Normally I can agree or at least empathise with you opinion about an episode, Magnus. But this time I don't follow at all. The pacing, dialogs etc were fine by me this time and I am very sensitive to the way series or movies have been edited and paced - if not done properly it can destroy all my enjoyment of watching. But no problems at all with Muuurder in that department.
ReplyDeleteWas it the best episode ever, no certainly not, but it belongs to the better half of this season IMO.
Filler episode, not much enthusiasm neither in the writing nor the acting. And way too many guest stars. When they do episode like this, trying to mesh in everybody on the cast and a bunch of guest stars, Chuck doesn't work for me. Chuck works when it's the team, baddie of the week, comic relief from BM + Elli/Awesome
ReplyDeleteChris
I made the mistake of reading fan reaction before watching the episode. So I almost didn't watch the show tonight. But it's Chuck and of course I'm going to watch. I didn't think it was as bad as people's comments. Was it great...no but there was some enjoyable elements that reminded me of past seasons. Problem with being a Chuck fan, the show is always on the bubble, and I think some of the fandom are quick to diss an episode if every scene isn't out of the park. It's probably hard to maintain a high level of awesomeness throughout a 24 episode season.
ReplyDeleteI look forward to the podcast.
It is no surprise that those who first heard the reaction then liked the episode. If you expect the worst, then your reaction will be very different. It is all psychological after all.
ReplyDeleteAnd opinions are always going to differ. Hell, I am sure the more I watch the episode the more I will like it (tends to happen except with some episodes that somehow get worse). Pacing issues usually go out the window over time as you anticipate the beats.
I've watched this twice now and can't remember an episode that has engaged me less. Even 'The Mask' left me with a "WTF was that?" feeling.
ReplyDeleteThe writing credit went to Alex Katsnelson and Kristin Newman. Katsnelson's only writing credit on IMDB is for an episode of, deep breath, Undercovers. I can't help but feel that Katsnelson wrote the episode and that Newman was assigned to try and improve it. It's certainly nowhere near the excellent standard of her three previous scripts.
Let's not start calling writers out too much. Even a great writer can have an off episode. At least the episode didn't violate some show canon.
ReplyDeletePlus, it had a really cute pig.
Not their best work indeed.
ReplyDeleteThe plot was just ridiculous to me as they seem to make an issue out of everything even though there shouldn't even be one.
Chuck struggling with leadership? really?
I mean it's not like a few weeks ago he planned and executed the taketown of one of the greatest criminals and his organisation.
But hey, maybe the ratings will go up, as Chuck seems to have better ratings on bad episodes.
Bob
Bob, it at least seems that way. Great episodes, crap ratings. Crap episodes, well... not great ratings but better.
ReplyDelete"Will Sarah ever not be pretty?" Sarah will always be hot and pretty even in the BM cube!!!
ReplyDeleteNot the best episode of the season but better than I thought it would be.
Will Ellie become AGENT X and Vivian's intersect?
TS
Hate to say it but that was.....dreadful. At least the murder/mystery part was. Cliched, cheap, not funny. And they went back to bumbling Chuck for most of the episode, made him clueless - which in turn made the "Poirot moment" where he figured it all out just seem utterly forced. I love this show - but I just can't defend most of that episode.
ReplyDeleteThe only saving grace was the Ellie plot, the sadness for missing PapaB was nicely done, keeping Chuck in the dark about her continuing work was a great reversal, the cliffhanger at the end.....all great stuff.
But wow - the half an hour surrounding it - one of the worst episodes of the series on first watch.
I still think it was a great episode maybe not there best but it had its funny moments and great moments with for example Awesome giving Chuck the fake hard drive which I guess that shows how much Awesome loves Ellie and wants to stop lying to her.
ReplyDeleteYou know people are so fickle and disingenuine! If the murder mystery was so bad how come when I was watching it and surfing the net some fansites put up poles in the episode to ask who they thought the killer was, not one person, not one on any of the sites picked Damian the actual killer. Then when chuck reveals the truth, fans are like oh yeah duh! it is so cliched and crap and not great and blah, blah, blah! If it was crap how come none of you on the polls figured it out! I think fans just complain so that they can complain. Was there issues?...yes! but to be so unfair and destructive instead of constructive in your critism it makes it hard to take your opinions seriously!
ReplyDeleteTed, why don't you go to those sites and say that? Since this site didn't do that.
ReplyDeleteOuch ... looks like there's going to be some pain when the ratings come out. To be honest with you can't blame anybody but the show, last night's episode was lackluster.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was ok...but i really wish they expanded last week story, rather than tell two separate. If A-Team episode were 2 hours, both conflict between Casey and his old team + competition between A and B teams could be properly explored, first one for some drama and second one for some action and fun. As it was, we got one good but rushed episode and one pretty lackluster one.
ReplyDelete1.5 rating for 4.19. Things getting worse. I imagine 4.20 will be worse.
ReplyDeleteWell, no surprise there, too bad.
ReplyDeleteWill the last one to leave please switch off the lights? Thanks.
Bob
@Ted Mosby...Architect:
ReplyDelete1. We know it is you, Barney.
2. Those sites are stupid. Stupid people usually don't guess even the most obvious stuff correcty.
3. Those sites still think that everything is fine with a 1.5 and that double rainbows are everywhere. And unicorns also.
Well, I liked the cute piglet.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the rest of the episode I will exercise my right to remain silent.
Let's just hope they do NOT intersect Ellie...do you see that dot moving on the horizon? Yeah... it is a SHARK JUMPING. So I really really hope they do not go there and we don't have a post-partum-kung-fu-Ellie.
Well I guess that "solid" 5.3 million viewers is a million viewers less solid. As the ratings podcast here said, some of those Age 50+ viewers were just watching Chuck until DWTS came back.
ReplyDeleteThe 18-49's were less solid too.
About the episode:
I didn't expect much from it the minute I heard the description. Mystery is not an easy genre to do well and when you limit yourself to so few suspects, it's impossible.
That said, I didn't dislike the episode. I loved, loved the Ellie-related stuff. I've been waiting so long for something interesting for her and a way to integrate her into the spyworld.
I liked Chuck being given a leadership role, even if the execution of it could have been better. The milk and cookies were cute.
I loved the pig. "Kevin Bacon" indeed.
The Buy More plot wasn't their worst.
I wish Brody could have lasted longer. Chuck's crush could've been funner if it played out for more than a millisecond.
"Cat Squad" is still my least favorite episode of the season.
Finally, can we get Fedak to stop pumping the final episode as having a cliffhanger? Casual viewers will not watch a doomed show that they think ends in a cliffhanger. We don't need to give people another reason not to watch the show.
One of the funniest parts of the episode was when the pig tried to outrun the explosion...only to plop out of the ceiling vent into Chuck's arms.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I couldn't figure out why the ratings dropped for this episode. This episode had funny Buy More versus Large Mart antics, explosions, and even Kevin Bacon/pig jokes. WHY did the ratings drop for this episode?
I will say it again... and I don't know why I have to keep repeating it since I have been saying it since season 2... there is little to no correlation between ratings for an episode and its quality since viewers don't know if the episode sucks until they watch it. Now, if we see a massive tune-out at some point, then fine. But if the ratings suck from beginning to end, then people simply didn't tune in to find out if it sucked.
ReplyDeleteDo you think it's the proposal and wedding arc that caused the drop in ratings?
ReplyDeleteMaybe the wedding arc should have been handled more subtly and relegated to the background.
Maybe it's the fault of the newer team of writers. Or maybe it's the focus on the relationships and the other characters to the detriment of the spy mythos and the Hero's Journey of Chuck that caused the drop in ratings...
One thing's for certain, neither I nor the writers have any clue what Nielsen viewers are thinking when the show loses viewers. And I doubt that any of us knows what would attract Nielsen viewers.
1.5. Huh. I'm surprised it wasn't even a bit lower given DST and DWtS but for whatever reason, the steady hemorrhage of viewership continues.
ReplyDeleteIt's sad when people were so shocked and expecting doom when "Tic Tac" got slammed with, what, a 1.9 at this point last year ("great episode, crappy ratings" theory right there) and now certain sites and certain fans are continually trying to sell a 1.5-1.7 range as "not that bad".
Well, hopefully the final five are all much better than "Muuurder" because I really would like "Chuck" to end its run on something of a high note.
Cor
The writers have NEEDED to find out WHY Chuck keeps losing Nielsen viewers. So far, it seems like they either have no clue what Nielsen viewers want to see, or they don't care...and it's hurting the show.
ReplyDeleteNow I'm all for letting the showrunners write the storyline how they want, but NOT to the detriment of the show's ratings.
You can tell this to Schwartz and Fedak: that they need to know what would attract Nielsen viewers.
I know they have to quickly write "filler episodes", but they have really outdone themselves this season. They should have stretched last episode's plot with Casey working with another team etc, which brought some interesting tension to the show. This episode wasn't necessary. The fact that one intersect candidate tried to blow up castle doesn't justify the cancelation of the intersect project (for the near future).Aren't there other similar candidates in the whole CIA?
ReplyDeleteIf they are trying to fix some intersect issues (hence Ellie), why were they already intersecting agents (the GRETAs)?
And it they wanted Vivian to be mentioned, it would have been much more belieavable that she would hire one of the GRETAs to try to blow up Castle, since they had already worked on the Buy MOre and knew their way around.
Where is Ali Adler when we need her?
Had they transformed the GRETA's themed episode in 2 episodes, they could have found a reasonable motive for putting the intersect project on hold: they have to fix it's issues in order for the intersected agents to not only automatically follow the intersect (the Vicky incident). The 4 new Chucks thing was just too forced.
IMO--
ReplyDeleteIt's really hard to take a show that was begun as a journey for characters to go through and convert it to a "post-journey" show and not lose viewers along the way.
I dug what Fedak said about turning Chuck and Sarah into a Nick & Norah type thing because I love the old Thin Man movies, but the reality is that that type of show appeals to an older audience. NBC found that out with Undercovers.
Maybe it wouldn't have been as bad if the producers had "sexified" the show a little when the show went into engagement mode, but maybe it was just inevitable that people would lose interest when the journey was basically over.
...and curious to see what Ralph Macchio looks like now.
I'd be shocked to see Chuck back on Monday next year, so I'll just hope for a new night. But, honestly, this show has been granted a stay of execution for a couple years (since before I tuned into it), so I can't complain too much if it gets axed.
ReplyDeleteBut to all the NBC execs that I'm sure are reading the blog posts here, as well as the comments: If you're going to pick up Wonder Woman, just save your money and give Chuck another year. We already have a kick-ass woman, and she doesn't make a mockery of a feminist icon. Plus, she's hotter.
@Stan: you are a wise man.
ReplyDeleteSarah Walker is 10.000.000.000.000 times better than that new shiny plastic "Wonder Woman" (with absurdly fake looking boobs).
It's like a latex-obsessed-hooker's version of the Wonder Woman costume.
ps.: "Wonder Woman" is 2012's "The Cape"
Some detailed ratings stuff:
ReplyDeleteThe final Adult 18-49 number was 1.48, an 8% drop from last week. Given DWTS popularity with the chicks, Women 18-49 dropped 12%. Men 18-49 only dropped 4%. What will happen on April 4th when additional competition is NCAA's?
Predictably, DWTS stole a lot more of the older viewers Chuck has had when the younger skewing Bachelor was the competition on ABC. Viewers over 50 dropped 23% from last week.
Men 18-34 didn't drop much(5%), but it is still much lower than last Fall.
DG
I am still slightly amazed by the NEED of people with brains to watch a stupid dance show of nobodies and find it more exciting than ANY other show on TV.
ReplyDeleteHi Magnus. I was wondering, does Nielsen regularly rotate viewers, in order to get a more fair example, or do they keep the same viewers indefinitely. I apologize if this a stupid question. I was just wondering if we had a chance to pickup new Nielsen viewers, or if we are just stuck trying to convince the same people to watch.
ReplyDeleteMagnus said...
ReplyDelete"Now, if we see a massive tune-out at some point, then fine. But if the ratings suck from beginning to end, then people simply didn't tune in to find out if it sucked."
Yesterday's episode opened with a 1.6 for the first half hour and closed with a 1.4 for the second half hour. 12.5% of Chuck's initial demo viewers switched off. I d say this qualifies as people voting with their remotes, and directly correlates with the quality of the episode. Had the episode been good, and had those 0.2 demo not tuned out at the half hour we 'd be flat on a 1.6 ;)
Damon
Damon, typical wild conjecture based on a single and incomplete sample of "evidence." So tell me, what happened during fan favorite episodes that had a similar drop? Also, 12% is your proof of concept? What happened to the 88%? Idiots?
ReplyDeleteIf Magnus doesn't mind, I'd like to address the Nielsen questions/comments:
ReplyDelete"Hi Magnus. I was wondering, does Nielsen regularly rotate viewers, in order to get a more fair example, or do they keep the same viewers indefinitely. I apologize if this a stupid question."
A Nielsen household can be in the panel for up to two years, but some people drop out before then. Thus, the panel churns, but it churns slowly. In any given week, some households are new to the panel, replacing households that have dropped out. But, many are the same as the week prior. It's one of the things that gives the numbers the consistency they have.
"Yesterday's episode opened with a 1.6 for the first half hour and closed with a 1.4 for the second half hour. 12.5% of Chuck's initial demo viewers switched off."
First half vs. 2nd half ratings aren't a very good measure. Typically for Chuck, the 2nd half of the show has more commercial breaks than the first half. Ratings dip during commercial breaks. A half hour that has three commercial breaks will always show a lower rating than a half hour with two even if the number of people watching the show between the breaks is the same.
There could have been a drop in viewing during the show, but you can't really tell how much unless you get a "minute by minute" ratings report and you'll never see one of those.
DG
Thanks. :)
ReplyDeleteI really liked this episode. I was hoping they'd do a 'fun' one, and I think this is as close as it gets with Chuck. (I'm reluctant to say it, given the Chuck vs. Supernatural issue, but it's like the Sp episode with Ghostfacers)
ReplyDeleteI did kinda feel like they did things half way. Like with Sarah and that female agent starting on each other - could there not at least have been some screams and a bit of hair pulling? I mean, that was like freaking REAL LIFE! I don't watch TV to see what happens to me, I want to see unrealistically dramatic situations dammit!
Ugh. All these breaks. Why do they have to end on a specific date? All this breaking between episodes is very annoying. I'd say it's not good for ratings, but I reckon TPTB already know what they're doing, but just haven't fleshed it out yet. Ah well, we shall see.... whenever they announce it. When is that? May?
"Damon, typical wild conjecture based on a single and incomplete sample of "evidence." So tell me, what happened during fan favorite episodes that had a similar drop? Also, 12% is your proof of concept? What happened to the 88%? Idiots? "
ReplyDeleteCalm down, you were talking about 1 episode, last night's episode (which is 1 data point) and I provided you with the relevant data points. If that rained on your lets be positive parade sorry, my bad, Chuck's doing great, last night's episode was E P I C, let's celebrate. Let me just go wake up my friend that fell asleep half way though it though ;)
Damon
Personally, I liked the episode a lot. And it was nice to see some special effects that did not completely suck!
ReplyDeleteDamon, cute... but your "proof" is nothing more than conjecture based on your ignorance of how the system works. As for my "lets be positive parade" you must be new.
ReplyDeleteNow, take your stupidity and shove it up the BANNED pipe.
LOL!!! damon you just suggested magnus is about being positive. you truly don't know him at all. he is the most pessimistic of the chuck fan leaders.
ReplyDeleteAll this ratings break down is interesting but it really does nothing to Chuck's season 5 renewal. I am sure there are alot of sad faces at the WB. Stupid Nielsen Mother Lovers. DWTS really. Ugh!
ReplyDeleteAnyways it's not over but man it sure feels like it. Hopefully Yvonne and Zach have jobs lined up next year.
MC
I don't know if I am pessimistic... I am just realistic.
ReplyDeleteYvonne or Zac? Why would anyone be worried for them? They are the STARS. Think about the other actors... hopefully MCL has a job lined up.
ReplyDeleteYeah I doubt Zac and Yvonne will have any trouble getting a new gig, but one thing that supported your arguement (not that I ever doubted you) about women getting shorter careers in general than males was brought up in sepinwalls and fienbergs last podcast (they mentioned it with a girl who played donna in the west wing). Why is that? I might ask sepinwall and fienberg.......
ReplyDeleteYou would know the answer if you listened to my podcast or read my blog comments. ;)
ReplyDeleteIt is chauvinism with a sprinkle of 5,000 gorgeous 20-year old hotties available at any point to replace the 30-year old, over the hill "old lady."
afro said..
ReplyDeletei can't say it was the best episode of the season but they did try hard to make it funny!i didn't quite like the fact that there wasn't any Chuck and Sarah momment because let's face it,it plays a big part of the plot especially in this season!as for the ratings i can't really talk because i live in greece and i can't watch it nor live neither online and it's a bit sad that people from countries other than usa can't have saying into that!i'm trying my best though voting anywhere i can..anyway,the episode the second time i watched it started becoming a litle more fun for me and of course the cliffhanger at the end makes me wonder what is going to happen next..i really hope there is going to be a season 5 because great episodes are far more than the bad!!!CHUCK FTW
Well I suppose there are some exceptions...Kate Winslet, Gwennith Paltrow, etc have earned oscars while in their 30's. But people do say that is because they are great at both drama and comedy! I suppose there is an exception if you are just that good, Yvonne can do comedy and drama...so maybe she could be the exception to the rule, I do hope so, she is fantastic.
ReplyDeleteAs for Zac....yeah it so interesting that stars like Tom Cruise, George Clooney, Al Pachino, etc...They had careers in their early 20's but they all really hit their stride in late 20's to early 30's......I wonder why that is, so Zac is at that point and I hope he can do what they did, he certainly is talented enough....
Amrit, the problem really begins for a woman around 35 to 40. Plus, there are always going to be exceptions to the rule. Sometimes an actor has so much talent or so much love from the masses that even Hollywood can't ignore them.
ReplyDeleteOn the flip side, when a man hits 35 to 40 he becomes even more viable as a leading man.
I'm not sure if this has been tried yet, but is it possible to try and recruit fans from other tv shows with low ratings by offering to watch their show, if they watch ours, in so doing possibly helping the ratings for both shows? Maybe we can catch a Nielsen viewer or two.
ReplyDeleteFor those cole lovers, cole will be on desperate housewives.....so for great kisses head over there, btw I still think the salami kiss blows the beefcake one, but hey I am biased so whatever.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed this episode even more after watching it a second time. When I first read the synopsis, I was expecting a really dark episode. Instead, it was (mostly) light and funny. I am especially interested to see where they take this Ellie story line. I always maintained the assumption that PapaB would never want Ellie to be an Intersect, and that Chuck was Agent X (having previously been designated Patient X). It will be interesting to see how Chuck reacts to finding out Ellie and Awesome are lying to him. I'm just surprised that Awesome is keeping all these secrets: he's the only one who knows that Ellie is working on the computer AND that Chuck is still in the CIA. Should be fun!
ReplyDeleteAnd, I also don't understand the huge interest in DWTS, or any of the other reality TV shows. Personally, I'd rather the personal lives (or whatever hyped up, peudo-scripted lives they portray for better ratings) of famous people remain private. It really is none of my business, and it must make it so much harder for actors (like the lovely YS) who actually want their private life to remain private. People expect that, because these people are famous, that everything about their lives should be open for scrutiny...and that's just wrong.
dav27, tried and it never did anything to our ratings.
ReplyDeleteAs I have said oh so many times, fans have these delusions of grandeur about their ability to do things. Like "Magnus, you have like 10,000 followers on Twitter! If you just get so-and-so number of them to..." and so on, then we will magically save the show. The problem is that if you have 10,000 followers, only about 3% of them will read what you tweet at any point in the day. So, you either tweet the same thing over and over and over, every hour on the hour, annoying everyone who follows you, or you count on your followers to retweet you so that it spreads across the globe.
To give you some perspective, I was retweeted by Michael Ausiello a few weeks back... he has over a million followers.... and at the end of the night, it had only been retweeted by about 400 people, and 120 or so where from before he retweeted it. You see the engagement level is crap... people are lazy.
So, when you have a great idea and want to get it out to the masses, you think "Hey, I will go to the top dog to get it to happen!" And so we did when we did the first Chuckfest. Again, Michael Ausiello put it in one of his articles and our site got like 10,000 hits from that. Not a single person ordered a ticket.
Why am I telling you all this? Because it is difficult to motivate our own fans to just freakin' watch the damn show LIVE. How are we going to motivate fans of a different show to do it? And how are we supposed to qualify that? How many people will read it and then actually go through with doing it? The answer is, most likely, too few to make any difference.
I said this last season and I will say it this season, the reason the Finale and a Footlong campaign worked at the end of season 2 is because 1) Subway had ALREADY approached NBC/WB about becoming more involved and 2) because Wendy took the initiate to approach Zac with it when she had his ear and they put together a memorable event that made the news (taking the convention to Subway), and 3) it was picked up by every news organization on the planet.
Unless we have that kind of massive fortune again (and the media just doesn't care as much about CHUCK as it did 2-years ago), there is no genius idea to save the show other than... you know, people watching the show, live. And since people don't think it is important to do that, then just ride it out until NBC either renews or cancels it.
Oh, Magnus, that is one sad story for all of us fans that were oblivious to the details of your efforts to mobilize others.
ReplyDeleteWhen I first started watching Chuck (not on TV, I read a review somewhere and ordered the DVD boxes from seasons 1 and 2), the show had just been renewed. So I read about it, but had no idea how it actually happened. So kudos to you and Wendy. Thank you.
ps.: before anyone starts ranting that I should watch live, just wanted to say that I live in Europe, hence ignoring the whole buzz about the Season 2 towards season 3 renewal.
It was all Wendy, Mamemimomu. :)
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