Vlad and Magnus discuss CHUCK episodes 5.08, 5.09, and 5.10 plus the potential of the series finale. We also briefly talk about Battlestar Galactica, Portlandia, Lord of the Rings and more.
WARNING! Lots of adult language plus I open the show thinking I'm working at Seton Hall's Pirate Radio, WSOU, 89.5 on the FM dial!
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Awesome ! appreciate everythinguyen you do. look forward to listening to it tonight Ben
ReplyDeleteI am so glad that you doing a podcast again, Downloading now :)
ReplyDeleteI did it for the three people who asked for one. :)
ReplyDeleteAs someone who enjoyed Business Trip and Baby, I'm excited for the finale. I guess you're sophisticated and I'm an idiot, but you know what? I still like you. Thanks for the podcast.
ReplyDeleteYou're not an idiot... just stupid. There's a difference. ;)
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Deletegreat podcast and i love the music at the end!
ReplyDeleteThanks!
DeleteThanks for the podcast and the more detailed warning for the finale. It helps to form a more realistic viewing approach and temper my expectations.
ReplyDeleteI may have made it sound worse than it will be... but it is better to be pleasantly surprised than shockingly disappointed.
DeleteYou are Right, just like Always. But I still think is gonna be Suck, I did not like the 5.08 and 5.04, but those episodes was more filler type, less Important episodes in my book, that is why I worry about the finale, the Series finale not should have to be slappy.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that I really gonna missing is Yvonne on my screen every week :(. CRY
I really wish the best for Her, but I'm Selfish, so Yeah I want to Her on my Screen every week, YEAH especially an HBO show, OH MY GOD.
Now going back watching, my Cara in Legend of the Seeker. XD.
Ohh how I love Her almost as Yvonne.
Tabrett Bethell also Australian Hottie :)
Yay podcast! Thanks.
ReplyDeleteVery true. As disappointing as I found the cliffhanger in the season 4 finale, it would have been much worse had you not given us the heads up to brace ourselves for the suck. Much appreciation for the info you've given out to the fandom.
ReplyDeleteAaaand apparently I can't work these new-fangled reply buttons.:)
DeleteCharacter beats? Love them. LOL. Anyways, I want the finale to be both for those who care more about the character beats and those who wanted more intelligence.
ReplyDeleteWhat I said was character beats like a pop song. In other words, devoid of real meaning or artistry but work on a purely superficial level.
DeleteGood pod cast i am glad you touched the "oh if they only knew in time" issue that has surfaced at every weaker episode
DeleteYour way of looking at it is also pretty logical with them working it as they go being better then a fixed pre game plan
One thing i don't agree with you is your season4 commentary.. for me the first 13 episodes of season4 where far better then season5 from all points of view(besides Verbanski who's pretty awesome)
Oh and what you said about Lester is false you forgot their "moment" in season1? when she's scissoring him on the Wienerlicious desk? a guy as infatuated as Lester probably thinks he can still "have" her : )
I’m someone who thinks Mad Men is genius, who loves the writing on BSG who hates those stupid CBS comedies...but I also enjoyed Baby because I want those character beats (and wish for them in the finale, in all their fanfic glory) and I’m a female shipper who’ll want to cuddle after, where does that put me?
ReplyDeleteYou may like those things and think CBS sucks, but there is no way you think Baby is one of the best episodes of the series. You may have liked the emotional beats but if that's all it takes for you to enjoy the show, then you are very easy to please and we should date. ;)
DeleteI don't think Baby is one of the best episodes of the series and I did have issues with the writing, but it didn't bother me as much as I thought it would thanks to the emotional stuff. Heh. I guess I am easy to please. Let me know when you visit Australia and I’ll take you up on the offer ;)
DeleteSeems like... I'm moving to Australia!
DeleteLiked the podcast. The discussion of the finale gave me chills. I wonder how I react.
ReplyDeleteGotta watch Portlandia.
AdriaN`S, I didn't forget anything, you drifting fart idiot. He froze up and freaked out in season 1. He knows he can't have her. He can't handle her. He's a massive wussy.
ReplyDeleteAs for what I said about season 4, you pea-brained tosser, when did I say season 4 was or wasn't better than season 5? I have to see the whole of season 5 before I can compare it, you nitwit mamma's boy.
Great podcast as usual! I know your ninja hasn't seen the last two episodes edited, but your discussion about the finale episode does not make the episode sound very promising! I know you said that the finale episode concerns you, but based on what you have heard will happen, do you think that 5.12 can be a great penultimate episode like the series has given us in the past? One thing that this show can usually deliver on is great penultimate episodes!
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Did I cut out the part where I talked about 5.12? I know I cut some stuff out because we had a problem 3/4 of the way through but I didn't listen to everything I cut.
DeleteI'll just say that 5.12 could end the trend. But the ninja expressed to me that he has been on set for episodes he thought wouldn't be very good and then turned out great in the edit. The edit is the most important thing. Followed by the performances, then the writing (I know, some would disagree and put writing ahead of acting, but I don't).
Thank you for that! You kinda grouped both 5.12 and 5.13 together when you were talking about the finale! I really don't know how this finale will turn out now, but I guess we only have two weeks left until we find out!
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Then I cut it because I responded specifically to the question you asked here.
DeleteThank you for the podcast, DR! Entertaining as usual. :) Hope you do another one after the finale. GeekGreek (?) was cool too.
ReplyDeleteI agree with pretty much everything you said about all the seasons so far. Man, hope the finale doesn't suck much..
S.
It's actually Greek Geek.
DeleteI will do more if people are around.
I had that same attitude towards the Conspiracy angle where i thought it was going to suck really bad.
ReplyDeleteThen when they actually did explain what it was it wasn't all that bad.
It didn't ruin the show for me like i thought it might.
Although if you say the shippers will love it that means i'll hate it.
If the series finale does suck it won't be a big deal to me because i don't have huge expectations for series finale's.
A lot of fans go into series finales expecting these great episodes but the thing to remember is that most shows don't have the creativity at the end to make one.
or if they do have the creativity they just don't deliver.
Their are some exceptions but for the most part finales aren't thought as the greatest episodes of most series.
As long as they don't do a big retcon i'll be happy.
Although i get this feeling that they'll kill off a character at the end and it will be Casey.
I've liked season 5 with the exception of a couple lazy episodes that have already been mentioned.
I even feel those episodes could have been great with more effort put into them.
I think the rest of the episodes have all been solid and i'm curious as to where it's heading.
We agree on the show's best seasons.
It's as if I wrote this myself.
DeleteIf you have liked season 5 up until this point do you think they will like the finale?
ReplyDeleteI just thought of something and I forget if you pointed this out or not but did it Chuck download the Intersect 3.0 into the computer in castle during the Shaw episode this season. So if Chuck really wanted to he could have the new version and then Chuck and Sarah can be the Intersect couple. Right?
ReplyDeleteI am one of those who discovered Chuck very late, just two months ago. I watched seasons 1-4 within a week or so, and now I'm suffering due to having to actually wait between the episodes.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if it gives me a different perspective or anything, but I imagine I wouldn't have liked certain parts too much(such as the darker times of season 3) had I watched them at "normal" pace. That is probably true for other periods of the show as well, I suppose watching it all at once makes it easier to see the big picture.
My own favorite so far is season 4 - Timothy Dalton was brilliant, no more wt/wt, and the storyline was quite strong overall.
At this point, I'm not expecting season 5 to top it. All the teasing about tragic finale, losses and sadness doesn't get me too excited. I always enjoyed the more light-hearted, heartwarming elements of the show.
Then again I'm one of those idiots who liked "the Baby" so who knows?!
I love how it has turned into "idiot" when it was clearly "stupid."
DeleteMy bad.
DeleteHonestly, both words reek of narrow-mindedness and intolerance. Since when has it become socially acceptable to insult others for having different tastes, about entertainment of all things?
DeleteYou should tell your ninja that he is not a very nice person.
You are an idiot.
DeleteMy condolences. we have the same custom in Greece by being unshaven for 40 days and women also wear black for 40 days.
ReplyDeleteAnyway I don't know why the writers always try to erase Bryce's arc, I mean there was Bryce in Sarah's past before Chuck we all know that but the writers keep telling us the opposite.
Second, I like Sarahsect and everything involves the Intersect and I hope to have a great execution...
Third believe that Verbanski is the second best guest star after Timothy Dalton
can't wait for the final-three episodes of Chuck
nena
Thanks, nena.
DeleteIts interesting what you say about Sarah downloading the intersect. If it wasn't just happenstance it begs the question why he wants her intersected. For his control? To control Chuck? Was she the agent that was really supposed to be intersected? The bad guys angle right now is the most interesting part of the story to me right now. I hope its not completely stupid.
ReplyDeleteThe Bo epi had some funny jokes. Morgan's "Who wants to party with the freakin' Intersect" line was HILARIOUS!! I didn't hate the Morgansect epis like I thought I would. Sure, I think it was a dumb move by the showrunners, but it wasn't so bad. The Baby episode is worse for me. Overall, I like season 5 more than season 4. At least it isn't boring.
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I'm not sure yet how I feel about season 5 vs. 4. I think it looks better. But I have to compare the two when it is all over.
DeleteYou're wise, DR. Yeah, that makes sense.
DeleteS.
You say that now... until you don't like something I say and then I'm an a-hole who should die!!! ;)
DeleteLOL, nah, everybody is entitled to their opinions, even crazy shippers or anti-shippers or anyone in between. :P I know you aren't a big fan of Other Guy, but for me that epi is brill.
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Thanks for the podcast. Great to hear your thoughts as always going into the finale.
ReplyDeleteSo THE big bad of all 5 seasons is someone who is upset he never got the intersect? Boo hoo. Is that it or did I miss something crucial? Because if that’s it, it’s a good thing I don’t watch the show for plots and to get questions answered.
ReplyDeleteAlso is it just me but did he seem enamoured with Sarah? Even in the promo that was him holding her chin. He probably did all this to get in her P.A.N.T.S. Literally.
but that's what ALL the guys on Chuck want: to get in Sarah's pants. She's so irresistible! :P
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Great Podcast as usual, love the insight the episodes. Don't quote me as I listened to it late last night but Interstesting comment you mentioned about Sarah getting the intersect being a trap of some sorts.....Guess we won't have to wait long to see the ending!
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ReplyDeleteHey Magnus, did I do something wrong that my blog entry was removed?
ReplyDeletePlease let me know.
Yep... if people want to find that stuff, they should find it.
DeleteSorry - meant no harm. Just highlighting your insights.
ReplyDeleteBanned... for life.
DeleteYo !
ReplyDeleteCan we expect some big guest star returns for the finale (like PapaB in flashback, Bryce, Shaw, Jill, other big stuff) ? No need to say name, a yes or no would be enough ;). Thanks dude !
I'd like to answer it but my answer would make people think it was a confirmation that one or more of those will end up in the finale and that's not what my intention would be... so, I won't answer it. :)
DeleteAlright ;). Thank you anyway. You probably right, if surprise happens, it needs to be real.
DeleteI was wondering, can you tell us anything related to the Wienerlicious, I'm pretty sure we're going to see it again, but in which context I'm not sure, maybe related to the amnesia idea? You probably won't say if i'm right or not, but as I like what you do, I try ;)
ReplyDeleteChloe
Sarah loses her memory and then Chuck has to recreate or act out the way they met?
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DeleteWhy did you delete my message? probably a spoiler, didn't mean it if that's the case. Sorry
ReplyDeleteYou all need to stop using these comment sections to discuss spoiler material you have seen. There are people who read these who don't want to be spoiled. Speculation about potential spoilers is not the same as discussing actual spoilers.
ReplyDeleteLike, what you have ACTUALLY seen is a spoiler. What you think may happen is speculation.
Okay, I apologize, pardon me as americans say
DeleteAmericans don't say "pardon me."
DeleteOnly limeys and floppy headed Canadians say that.
Good to know that a lot of people I know are limeys and floppy headed Canadians, I can sleep better now ;)
DeleteGlad to be of service.
DeleteWhen I read things like these , Oh Sarah will fall over agin Chuck, without the intersect and beyond these ridiculous disgusting fan fiction soap opera Ideas, I shame myself to be fan of the show
ReplyDeleteWhat is realy scary , there are peoples who will love these poop. 5 year carachter progression just throw away, for poop like this, and these people call themself shipper pff. disgusting and unfortunately most likely these things will hapen.
However , we so invested in these Sarah lose her memory story, that may be it will be something different , or May be Chuck is the one who will forget who he is. if I would be a bad Guy I would want Chuck on my side, not Sarah or Casey just saying
I dont know but either way its cheap and lame and not good TV.
and the sad thing, they coudl be better, They can be better.
It was so hard to creat a scenario where Chuck and Sarah fight together for their Future, instead of some love melodrama?!
Well, I consider myself a shipper and a lover of sappy things but I would absolutely *loathe* the finale if it has any kind of permanent memory loss/having to learn to love each other again elements in it.
DeleteConsidering how Sarah has evolved throughout the series and especially during the last two seasons I certainly don't want them to throw 5 years of character growth out of the window. The whole idea is so absurd to me that it gives me some hope the writers aren't stupid enough to do it.
And then I remember "Gobbler" and a few other specific "Durr.. we're writers, we can write this any way we want, durr" moments.. and it makes me think they could actually pull this off. Le sigh.
DeleteRazorback I read all this comments over and over again... please give
ReplyDeleteus some clue about what is worst than sarah's memory loss????
The writers can do same thing like in last years season finale??
Same story?? Sarah will hurt and chuck will try to save her???
I didn't say it would be worse... I said it COULD be worse.
DeleteAnd in 10-days, we can talk about what that means. :)
I just want to say I love Chuck as a character and Razorback at least you can confirm that the final two episodes won't be predictable (memory loss or sarah's, casey's death) and will be focus on our chuck like in season 1-2-3 finale???
DeleteI can't confirm anything.
DeleteDon't you get tired of keep saying that????
Delete"I didn't say it would be worse... I said it COULD be worse."
DeleteMemory loss, but no personality change like Morgan had?
I'd love to see a storyline where the oddly speaking baddie wipes the memories of Chuck from Sarah's head and then sends her on a mission to kill Chuck and rest of the team. Sarah on full terminator mode!
ReplyDeleteSounds like someone is going to enjoy the finale! ;)
DeleteSo you're confirming that the title "Chuck vs Sarah" is to be taken literally? I can already see the teaser for the finale: "In the two hour series finale Chuck is facing the most dangerous enemy imaginable... his wife!"
DeleteNot confirming anything.
DeleteThis is sort of reminding me of the whole "Yes she's the intersect" sort of moment with you in the past when you gave an answer and no one believed you.
DeleteDun dun duuun.
And looks like I won't. No surprise here. Maybe I should do what Olddarth did, and just quit. :)
ReplyDeleteDon't talk about it, just do it.
DeleteThanks for the encouragement. LOL.
ReplyDeleteI just figure if you are going to quit, stop yappin' about it and do it already. I mean, why not quit after 4.3 seasons with 10 days to go? Makes total sense.
DeleteActually I stole this Idea from you, I don't really remember, wich your podcast, you said, afte Lou left the show , that you will gonna be Brave and will quit before the show over or something. :)
ReplyDeleteobviously i will stick until the end , but I think you understand my concern.
Lets play the idea . So Sarah goes Evil, try to kill the Team B and Chuck. obviously Chuck will not fight back, so probaly Sarah beat the crap out of him. than may be se escape or whatever, and the second half of the finale is try to stop her fix her whatever . And for some lame miracle , she may be get back her old self, and everything is forgiven. Or she won't remember anything at all so everything is forgiven.
My problem is the redemption. I mean some reason I sould belive that is everything is fine. I not see right now how will i feel myself satisfying and not feel Meh, like after Other Guy. And there is no "honeymooners" after this one what is give me some short of redemption.
My english is realy suck, so I can't realy express myself.
Its similar what they did with my Cara from the Legend of the Seeker.
little Spoiler Here
Cara gets captured before the finale 2 episode. and tortured and eventually She end up in the Dark side again, Ohh my poor girl :(.
You know what was the solution? They use some magic and actually these whole scenario never happened. In the final episode of the series, All that happens is not even happened. They back the real reality and move forward.
I love Seeker my new Favorite, but this was lame :)
So I don't know how they make it in Chuck for me, to be an Acceptable finish, with this scenario.
Ofcourse I tend to be overreact, but .....
"that you will gonna be Brave and will quit before the show over or something"
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what you just said.
Okay, never mind. I don't remember exactly, so forget it
DeleteI gotta say - I love this
ReplyDelete"it COULD be worse." Doesn't anybody read in nuance?
Of course it could be worse - but that doesn't mean that it is.
Man, this is enjoyable = thanks Magnus!
The depth of love Sarah has for Chuck is the one thing that keeps me going through all the plot holes and weak spy stories. I mean you take the first scene with the laying in bed next to each other. Did anyone notice that Sarah snucked up on Chuck’s side of the bed did that to be closer to him. Colonel she did the same, during the night she just wanted to be closer to him and moved over onto his side of the bed. Last Details she moved over his side of the bed and woke him up and cuddled upto him. End of honeymooners in the bed she moved over and laid on top of him. End of suitcase she took his hand and moved her whole body into him. End of coup D’Etat she did something similar.
ReplyDeleteThat is what draws me in the fact that she feels safe and happy to want to be closer to him and this last scene is a great continuation of that theme. The fact that she always stands close to him, always grabs his hand (even when they are getting married), smartens his hair, caresses his face, etc. These things do play the romance perfectly.
Love will win in the end! Doh!
So I have no doubt that whatever happens it will turn out to be awesome! Lets see how it all falls into place.
ReplyDeleteTV guide info has me pretty bummed about finale. Can't believe this is the ending they are giving us
ReplyDeleteIt didn't really offer anything new, people had already guessed as much.
DeleteThat TV guide article made me even more excited. I thought earlier that the Wienerlicious in the finale might be related to that alledged memory loss plot, but now they directly say that it's a Wienerlicious in Berlin where Chuck AND Sarah are tracking Quinn (to kill him).
ReplyDeleteSo whatever the "Chuck versus Sarah" is about I think much of that is resolved in that episode and not carried over to the final hour.
There you go... you have nothing to worry about.
DeleteWienerlicious is one of the homages Zac talked about in his interview.
DeleteWienerlicious in Berlin?? Sarah was working at Wienerlicious in first season..
ReplyDeleteQuinn and Sarah known each other??? This is the secret??
Quinn said "You think you got her without the intersect?? in last episode...
Here's the secret. Sarah was married to Quinn before she was married to Chuck, making the Chuck and Sarah marriage void.
DeleteIn the retcon, she stopped in Berlin before she returned from Hungary.
Quinn uses the Wienerlicious as a cover in the same way that Chuck uses the Buy More.
(Or I coulda just made all that up.)
You're joking like magnus:)) And all jokes have serious side...
Delete@MS: Brilliant! That was just brilliant! LOL
DeleteSPOILERS!
ReplyDeleteHmmmm, what could be worse that Sarah losing her memory? Sarah getting her memory back perhaps?
ReplyDeleteSee... you are the first person to consider that the amnesia already exists...
DeleteInteresting idea....would it be amnesia from something she will do in the next episode or from the past??? What are your thoughts??
DeleteJuicy idea.
DeleteI'm surprised to be the 1st one to consider this. There are alot of different possibilities if that was the case. Haha. TOTAL RECALL.
DeleteHow would that make any sense. Sarah had a mission in baby, remembered her mother. So what Sarah was already married to Quin pre-pilot. Sarah had amnesia for 5 years? This is is not Alias. If they try to claim Sarah had amnesia this whole time I am calling BS on that.
DeleteOr would it be chuck with the.amnesia? ??
DeleteFedak said something interesting in that very same interview, this show is about an average guy getting the girl of his dreams or similar words. They are not going to deviate from that, not for one second. If they did then they would be risking their legacy. I know probably when this show started the plan was probably not that, it may have been Chuck's journey to super spydom but with uncertainty and reduced budgets, etc. The best continuity on this show is the chuck and Sarah relationship. They will get it right, I can bet all the money on that.
ReplyDeleteOh, I fully believe Chuck and Sarah will get their happy end, but whether I will find the finale satisfying also depends on what happens on the way to this ending.
DeleteCHUCK IS SARAH'S BROTHER!!!11!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteomfg I solved it!
So guess I failed with my attempt to stay away from spoilers this season.
ReplyDeleteSanta suit, just overall good episode. And of course Shaw is back, and defends that there actually was at least a potential for the character and not just bad acting from BR. Found it a bit amusing that same sound effect was used to the knock out shaw got that was used back in S3.
I must say I found Vs. Baby very funny (as a father from 4 months back perspective) but, well still so lazy written. Also Yvonne handled the unexperienced baby caretaker scene really well.
Dont know how this will play out but feels there is a reason why theres been so much talk about babies, once a woman gets the idea its no stop until that idea is fulfilled... (genes, genes and well genes). But overall really stupid episode.
Kept man. Not really much to say, Carrie-Anne Moss best guest star this season (yet?) not that it says so much. And not to forget "Everything, ... it's all wrong"
Bo, nice twist at the end. But as you mention Magnus it is hard to make Sarah look more bad ass. As they tried in S4, the only difference I saw back then was more black clothes/hair and some leather...
As a general for the season, I really can't understand those fans who said that Sarah has taken a backseat this season. Do these people actually watch Chuck? Morgans relationship with Alex just does not work for me. Alex deserves someone so much better than Morgan. And Morgan on the other hand should at best wake up with Lester in drag...
As for the remainder of the series I think I'll mostly be overall satisfied, this season really need some altering towards what Fedak would call "Mythology of Chuck".
Just a little sad it won't end like an older swedish soap that were really loved by swedish families, basically after 123 episodes decided to gather every single character in a room and blow them up. Imagine the reaction that ending had:)
And not to forget, thank you Magnus for keeping on what you are doing and the things you have given to this fanbase. Always good to have a complement over my own viewing, I tend to miss some really good things in the episodes.
(Sorry for bad english, not all to well experienced with the language)
/Oliver
Best post of 2012... so far.
DeleteHow the hell is there a discussion of whether or not there will be a happy ending in a comment section for the podcast WHERE I TELL YOU whether there is a happy ending or not?
ReplyDeleteI guess people are just super scared at this point. And maybe everyone's definition for a happy/acceptable ending is a bit different.
ReplyDeleteI'm not talking about whether EVERYONE will enjoy the ending. But it is of course going to be a happy one.
DeleteThough, if you think about it... I have let this whole "amnesia" thing go on for a while without deleting any of it. And I never spoil major plot points so.............
ReplyDeleteAnd with that one comment you just made everyone go crazy with new theories again...
DeleteAnswer this if you don't think it's too spoilery. Do you think that whatever new revelations we have in the three remaining episodes are consistent with the show's canon? Or will there be "baby-like" revelations/retcons that require too much work from the viewers to work?
I truly don't know. Ninja #1 (who is the main source of information) tells me he has left something for me to be surprised by... and I am thankful to him for that, especially since I didn't really want to know ANYTHING!
DeleteMemory loss from an intersect could be considered different from amnesia. :3 OR COULD IT?
DeleteOh... and he corrected me after listening to the podcast. He HAS seen the final two episodes.
ReplyDeleteoverwhelming approval or cautious optimism ?
DeleteI didn't ask for specifics but he said 5.12 is a redemption for 5.08 and 5.13 is going to SPLIT THE FANDOM IN HALF!!!!
DeleteSo the people that loved vs the baby will hate 5.13 and the people that hated 5.13 will like it ? Sounds good to me :)
Delete"So the people that loved vs the baby will hate 5.13 and the people that hated 5.13 will like it ? Sounds good to me :) "
DeleteShould read ....
The people that loved vs the baby will hate 5.13 and the people that hated vs the baby will love the finale ? Sounds good to me :)
"I didn't ask for specifics but he said 5.12 is a redemption for 5.08 and 5.13 is going to SPLIT THE FANDOM IN HALF!!!!"
DeleteYour ninja said the same thing about 5.08, right? I read there are going to be flashbacks in the 5.13 so I hope that doesn't mean that they will mess with the timeline again.
Btw, been reading your blog and finally had the guts to post. Great job you're doing here. :)
K.T.
Welcome. Guts to post? What's so scary? We are all cute little bunnies around here.
DeleteAs for flashbacks in 5.13, that sounds probable.
And yes, he did say that about 5.08. He also said he thinks the ending is perfect.
I'm not reading what DR said the same way anonymous is. If 512 is a "redemption" of 508, it makes up for its sins, so to speak. But, there are people out there that don't see anything wrong with 508, so I don't know how they will react to 512.
DeleteIf 513, like 508, splits fandom in half, stupid people will like it, but discerning viewers won't.
It's almost a shame that there won't be 7 days between the two episodes. We'll see them back to back and one will bleed into the other and we'll miss out on full-blown discussion of 512 all by itself without knowing what happens in 513.
"I didn't ask for specifics but he said 5.12 is a redemption for 5.08 and 5.13 is going to SPLIT THE FANDOM IN HALF!!!!"
DeleteBetween the fans who like the episode and the ones who love it ;)
"What's so scary? We are all cute little bunnies around here."
DeleteCuteness can be overwhelming. But nah, that's just my way of saying hello.
I'm pretty confident about the ending, my concern is the execution. But we'll see. I'm not planning to have a panic attack over it.
Huge thanks to your ninja.
K.T.
and so.....
ReplyDeleteWith all this amnesia talk floating around I'm surprised more people didn't call out the Memento references in the Jeff/Lester storyline or with Morgan getting the tattoo.
ReplyDeleteWow, with that one line, you may be give me a little hope :).
DeleteI openly admitted that some of us including ME , is too invested only one theory, that it may have been something else.
Back in the days, after my first Rage at GeekFurious, I a little calmed down and try to came out something else, and I wanted to ask you, but instead I just play the thing in my head.
What if Sarah can't control whatever She wants or not want to Flash. And may be she is like the Greta Agent, can't control her body. These can be lead she may accidentally Hurt or shot Chuck or whatever, She even think she may killed him.
These at least sound me a little better, than any amnesia, or Retcon.
also you have may say something in the Kept-man discussion section about they may change something about Sarah pregnancy to
Still something gonna breakdown Chuck and Sarah, how much? , how ? Why ? May be after episode 11 we will know more , especially after the series finale promo.
as for Jeff/Lester
when I saw them my first idea was " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas " LOL
"also you have may say something in the Kept-man discussion section about they may change something about Sarah pregnancy to
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Huh? What's this about? I don't recall any talk about changes to Sarah's pregnancy? Did I miss something?
I hope the final moments of Chuck are set at the beach. Since I couldn't get CS to get married at the beach, their last scene to be there would be so nice.
ReplyDelete"The people that loved vs the baby will hate 5.13 and the people that hated vs the baby will love the finale ? Sounds good to me"
ReplyDeleteI don't think that is what he meant.
I'm starting to feel slightly bad I got all amped up over the last two episodes and what's to come with them, what with all the amnesia talk. Fedak and such have always sort of touted the more.. 'dramatic' side when it came to his finales, and honestly.. outside of the Morgansect abomination, I haven't really had a problem with any of the finales thusfar.
ReplyDeleteI'm really excited. Slightly anxious, but excited.
Kind of shame for myself. I read every comment from Magnus, every interview, every BTS pictures. and I still has no clue what is going to happen. and my tiny shipper heart.......
ReplyDeleteBut how know may be there will be a Make-up Sex after all. LOL
You will be very lucky to get even one pathetic kiss in the remaining 3 episodes.
DeleteThis might be a little taboo to bring up again , since the topic has been beaten to death . I watched Chuck vs the other guy tonight and in the beginning when Chuck is telling Casey about Sarah killing shaw's wife he says " it was part of her Red test 5 years ago " . In final exam Sarah is telling Shaw she remembered everything about her red test and how that made her feel at the time . Then in vs the baby the " 5 years ago " , Sarah is a stone cold assassin that can wipe the floor with 11 bad guys ?
ReplyDeleteI kinda defended that episode when it aired , but now re watching certain episodes and the time line that was already established before vs baby is so frustrating now ! Sorry to beat the dead horse
that part at least fits. 3.13 happened in 10 so 5 years ago would be 05. 5.08 was supposed to air in 12 when they wrote it so the 5 years ago would be 07. two years after her red test.
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If the finale will split the fandom in two, I hope that I will be in the good half! And if I won't, enough! I will stop watching this show! (after 5.13, I mean...) :P
ReplyDeleteSplitting the Fandom. Lets see lets make some people mad so they refuse to buy S5 on DVD. Brilliant! I found that you cannot judge anything based on different peoples perceptions. Some love a certain episode, some hate it. Some think it is EPIC and some think it is LAME. If they dissapoint me and undo 5 years of character growth then it's quite easy. Watch the finale and pocket the $60 that I would have spent on S5 and turn the page on Chuck. Looking back will it have been about the show or the fandom?
ReplyDeleteWell, Season 4 was exactly what fans say they wanted--for the most part--and the DVD sales sucked compared to Season 3, a season those same "fans" supposedly hated with a passion. So much for their significance.
DeleteVery true. I know I can't speak for all fans but If I watch the finale and I come out it saying WTF then to me Chuck will be like the crazy ex. You had great sex with her but in the end her craziness drove you away. Lets hope Chuck does not go out like that. I would like to watch it in syndication someday. :P
DeleteAs I always say, the "hardcore fans" who post on the Internet and project their "power" represent a tiny minority of the entirety of those watching. So, they don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Which is why you don't write for them unless you like what they are demanding.
DeleteThere is a reason why network executives ignore Internet polls and the like. They never translate to revenue. EVER.
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ReplyDeleteEven if the finale is weak, I will buy Season 5 when it comes out.
ReplyDelete"See... you are the first person to consider that the amnesia already exists..."
ReplyDeleteI did consider it, but surely they're not going to tell us that we've following a fake Sarah for the last 5 years. No Volkoff/Hartley deal for her, please.
Plus... Bryce, Carina, her dad, her mother etc... they never noticed anything wrong with her.
Perhaps she's been a double agent all this time!
DeleteCould be... but at least to me telling viewers that they've been lied to for 5 years feels like an incredibly stupid move. Not bold, not shocking, just stupid.
DeleteAnd lets be honest, there's been no foreshadowing whatsoever.
There was no foreshadowing that Sarah saved a baby and gave it to her mom either.
Delete(Not saying the spec is accurate but...)
DeleteIf memory serves, there was some comment by DR back in "Business Trip" about how we may eventually learn why Sarah passed the lie detector test so easily.
I don't think that comment was ever followed up on, unless my memory is faulty.
Also, as part of my "best episodes" re-watch, I saw Chuck vs. The Truth yesterday. In that episode, pentathol didn't even work on her.
If she WERE a double agent, she'd be pretty good at covering it up.
'If memory serves, there was some comment by DR back in "Business Trip" about how we may eventually learn why Sarah passed the lie detector test so easily.'
DeleteTrue... granted, that may have been one of those story lines they abandoned. OR... she is a double agent!
"There was no foreshadowing that Sarah saved a baby and gave it to her mom either"
DeleteTrue, but while the execution of that revelation might have been lacking (due to failing to explain wth Sarah's mom was doing when her kid was running around with a conman father), it really wasn't that bad idea.. just poorly done. This double agent thing would destroy the character as we know it.
It wouldn't be the first time they--or any other TV writers--abandoned a story idea. In hindsight, it WAS an odd thing to be in the episode. It's presence could have been to establish that the lie detector device could be fooled at all and explain why the assassin could fool it, also.
ReplyDeleteYup. It could have been that simple.
DeleteI never considered it odd. Sarah is a spy after all, she must have been trained to beat lie detectors, just like she had been trained to withstand that truth serum kind of stuff she was exposed to in "Chuck vs The Truth".
Deletei'm going with this, Razorback Jan 17, 2012 06:26 PM
DeleteThough, if you think about it... I have let this whole "amnesia" thing go on for a while without deleting any of it. And I never spoil major plot points so.............
mostly the, never spoil major plot points so...
would the great DR risk it all this late in the game? only time will tell!
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I'm gonna stick with some memory loss sort of plot line and leave it there. I'm sure whatever it is they decide to do, we'll still, to some extent.. enjoy the ride.
ReplyDeleteOr she will be a double agent or triple.
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This Nicolas guy, somehow forced Sarah to work for Him. 5.12. We lead to belive she Turned, she even may shot at Chuck. May be everyone think Chuck is dead
everyone think Sarah is bad. then 5.13 kind of like in the Other Guy somewhere between the first 10-12 minute, there is a secret meeting between Chuck and Sarah, wich involve a hot Sex scene, and it revealing for us, that THIS is a Chuck and Sarah Game, This is all theirs master plan.
Proving that these two realy trust only just each other. May be even a litle comfort for Sarah, from Chuck, after the hot Sex of course, for the obvious reasons. and the rest of it is Action. including Chuck and Sarah vs everybody, the super Spy couple, may be Chuck even get back the Intersect somehow.
and the ending, how know ?!
I would love to see a flashforward, where they already have kids. or Sarah just telling Chuck she is pregnant?! but for me the flashforward would work better. I'm guilty as a Crazy Shipper I won't denied. But listening and another Yvonne interview, I'm not sure the kids or the flashforward , may be realy she just telling Chuck she is pregnant. for a kind of open ending for us imagination.
But as i said Crazy Shipper here, so I want to see their kids :)
Man you talk crap.
DeleteI so sorry if my little fanfic scenario is to tasteless for you.
ReplyDeleteSo, does 5.12 now make your ninja's list of their favourite episodes this season along with 5.03, 5.07, and 5.11?
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Yeah does Magnus' ninja now say that 5.12 is on their personal favorites list.
ReplyDeleteI would like to know that as well.
Regarding the finale it would be stupid if we found out that Sarah was a double agent all this time.
I forgot to ask... if I get to talk to him in the next couple of days, I'll try to remember. Things are getting a bit busy in both of our worlds. I know he likes 5.11 and 5.12 but not 100% sure which one he liked more.
ReplyDeleteoh that's alright i don't won't you to bother the ninja if he is busy.
ReplyDeleteIt's good to know that 5.11 and 5.12 are good episodes.
often times the second to last episode of a series are lackluster or mediocre at best so it's refreshing to hear that the ninja likes it.
The ninja has been the ultimate insider for this show.
The second to last episodes on CHUCK tend to be the best episodes of the series!
ReplyDeleteHi Magnus/Razorback/God(?)
DeleteSo does it mean S5's penultimate episode will continue the series trend of awesome chuckgasmic penultimates?
CTWMjm! (Chuck The Walker Movement, join me!)
I don't know. I guess we will find out in a week.
Delete"Well, Season 4 was exactly what fans say they wanted--for the most part--and the DVD sales sucked compared to Season 3, a season those same "fans" supposedly hated with a passion. So much for their significance."
ReplyDeleteEXAAAAACTLY!! ;) Season 3 actually sold very well. It is still selling. I just think casual fans want to see something exciting, epic! I don't think they really care if Chuck and Sarah are together or not.
I too will be buying season 5 reagardless of what happens in the finale. Santa Suit is reason enough, and I will be buying the blu ray because I want to see it in its full glory! :D
I just hope the finale is not boring or too stupid. I have some faith it will be ok at least.
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ReplyDeleteSo I just read on another forum that someone WILL die in the finale. It can't be Chuck or Sarah, IMO.
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I hate to break it for you but Magnus already saying this.... since decades?!
DeleteThe villain dies!
DeleteI guess they might kill off Big Mike or General Beckman too to satisfy bloodthirsty fans.
Yeah, the poll for who will die has been up on this site for like 6 months.
DeleteMy 2 cents of the seasons, if you don't mind. :)
ReplyDeleteS1 & S2: I think what made seasons 1 & 2 so darn compelling is the plot wherein the bad guys (Fulcrum) were in search for the lead character. It only strengthened the mythology and interest behind the Intersect's importance. You could tell from the very 1st episode of Fulcrum's appearance (Vs The Nemesis)that Team B and Fulcrum were headed to a collision course. We felt that sense of danger for the lead character.
S3: S3 was compelling in that Team B were out to destroy the core of Fulcrum, the Ring, which was only enforced by Team B's history of dealing with Fulcrum.
S4: S4's overarching plot sucked because they just came up with the Volkoff arc out of nowhere to connect to the Mama B storyline. The 20 year mission thing was just stupid and pointless. Would've preferred a darker turn where Mama B was a complex character that went away because she truly did become a dark spy mastermind.
Or it would've been great had S4 been about Team B targeting Orion's villain files under his basement to piece together why Orion himself was so concerned of them. And then, they could've worked in the Mama B storyline with those baddies.
S5: It had potential had the Shaw conspiracy foreshadowing been a lot earlier to give us the feel that there was an overarching baddie not some stupid made up conspiracy.
CTWMjm! (Chuck The Walker Movement, join me!)
I always thought that the S4 plot would have been better if Mama B would have been agent X and the big bad and she was just using Volkoff to hide the fact . That would have explained the 20 year absent thing due to the personality shift or even a memory issue of the old intersect download . Other than a handful of enjoyable eps that season , the outline for it was a mess .
DeleteJust an observation about the Quinn character after watching again last night...
ReplyDeleteThey said he worked for Fulcrum, The Ring, and Volkoff. But, he also said he spent over a year captured after the Intersect was put into Chuck. Unless they are sloppy, that implies he didn't really work for Fulcrum until about halfway through Season 2. By then, they had their own Intersect, albeit one they could only get to work well in Chuck.
I'm presuming that if he worked for volkoff, he had dealings with Frost.
I wonder if any of this becomes relevant.
MamaB is returning in the finale, I'd guess she probably knows something about Quinn.
DeleteMaybe he only started working with Fulcrum after discovering that they have their own Intersect. Quinn found them, not the other way around.
DeleteLet's watch them tie everything together.
Yes I know about the 'who's gonna die' poll and all.. I was just sharing what I heard that it is indeed true, at least according to that person. No, I didn't har it in a chuck fansite. The person who said it seem legit. If is mama B well I don't care one bit since I never really cared about that character. It just never clicked to me.
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sorry I meant to say 'hear it'
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