MY REVIEW OF THE EPISODE OVER AT GEEKFURIOUS.COM!
Discuss your expectations before watching the episode. Then, after watching, discuss your massive love/disappointment for it.
Then, comment on the genius/insanity of the writers for what they did to your favorite character(s).
GO!
Also, check out the 21-Days of CHUCK daily article thingy over at GF.
I don't expect Bo Derek to be a great guest star.
ReplyDeleteOther than that, I hope thing to be clearer about the final arc. We know that there is a "final four" bad guy. We know that there is a "final mission" that somehow lasts four episodes.
But, we know nothing about why that mission and bad guy are so important that it does last four episodes. Right now, it's just "a mission".
The "last mission" doesn't necessarily last for four episodes, it could be just the seed that sets the final bundle of unfortunate events into motion. Like the "one more day till retirement" cliche.
ReplyDeleteYes, it could be a series of missions with the same bad guy or a cascade of events, as you say. But, that still makes me wonder what it's all about.
DeleteOther than there being a hostage situation of a Bullet train, but synopses are very vague about that part of it.
Yeah, right now I'm intrigued to figure out how the final bad guy factors into everything. There has to be a reason he shows up and a reason why he's going after Chuck and Sarah and Co., so I'm excited to get some more info on that.
ReplyDeleteMy second prediction for tonight:
ReplyDeleteAt some point in the comments after the episode, there will be a discussion of Chuck & Sarah's sex life or lack thereof.
Will people even remember they have a sex life after tonight? ;)
ReplyDeleteAh hah!
DeleteI didn't think things would go south that quickly, but you know more than me.
What does that imply?
DeleteJust saying... what if something happens to make people forget the whole "when will they have sex" thing?
DeleteARE YOU SAYING *GASP* THEY..DO? No, it can't be true.
DeleteI may just be exaggerating for effect. :)
ReplyDeleteWell, either way it means one week of incessant whining and moaning or two. The one constant is the whining. And the moaning. Where am I going to go to watch irrational freakouts when Chuck is done? That more than anything else really brings home that its nearly over. *sniff*
DeleteApropos of nothing, I just watched a video of Yvonne eating raw herring with some annoying woman. Gotta love weird traditions.
Jim
What has you ninja said about this episode?
ReplyDeleteI'm not expecting much from this epi. It will probably be more set up.. Chuck and Sarah once again entertain the idea of quitting the spy life.. :P
ReplyDeleteS.
Yvonne really does deserve some major credit for the way she is promoting this finale. I just read the latest snippet over in EW, using words like "bold choice" and "disconcerting". I love it!
ReplyDeleteSomeone should tell Yvonne that there are FOUR episodes left, though.
ReplyDeleteKinda funny no one noticed Morgan has the frosted tips on : ) i wonder how that's going to play out
DeleteI don't think Mogan is gonna be an Intersect again.. I just don't see the point. He's probably just pretending for the mission..
DeleteS.
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
ReplyDeleteI always wonder...troll or spoiler.
DeleteIf someone does lose their memory and it's permanent (even at the very end) well that would be stupid. It would take away from the whole 5 seasons of development for that character (and memories).
ReplyDeleteI hate memory wipe endings (poor Donna on Doctor Who). It's just as bad as the "it was all a dream".
I love the whole Bo Derek thing and I am glad the whole jeffester trying to find out about spies and everybody don't say anything about the ending we don't want to be jerks to people that have just started or is getting up to dated and starting season 5. ok
ReplyDeleteI guessed that ending.
ReplyDeleteI have to say, I'm tired of everybody and their mother having the intersect.
ReplyDeleteSarah has the intersect now? can you say cop out???
ReplyDeleteI heard it was a great episode though.
DeleteI don't see how it is a cop-out. A cop-out is when you refuse to do something. This is the opposite of a cop-out.
DeleteSo what was taken away from Chuck & Sarah?
ReplyDeleteI liked the episode. Of course, I have known about Sarah becoming the Intersect since the end of last season and what would become of that whole story... but I liked how it was utilized in the episode.
ReplyDeleteHOWEVER, there were problems with this one as well. I will probably write my review of it tomorrow or much later tonight/morning. But I will likely give it an above average score with some comments about poor pacing, comedic timing, and one bit of melodrama.
The intersect.....and very funny whoever said there would be hotness. Fedak sucks yet again.
ReplyDeleteLove to read everyone's nitpicking here. Seriously fun. I, for one, completely LOVED this episode. But bring on the nitpicking!
ReplyDeleteCurse you lack of proper hotness. Curse you to all heck.
ReplyDeleteI liked the episode, though. I was sidetracked by Bo Derek a bit too (when I wasn't going agaga over Yvonne that is) but then.. they slam you in the side of the face with the bit at the end. Just wow. And it looks like the next episode has her getting the same sort of issues that Chuck had at the tail end of S3.. though it's odd Sarah gets them so quick.
Either way.. looking forward to the review, and.. is it next Friday yet?
I know they have been all over the place in regards to the effects of the Intersect, but I always preferred the early assumptions. That is that different people have different receptivity to the Intersect. Chuck's is very high. Other people got exposed to it and got catatonic or insane or die.
DeleteMorgan's receptivity may have been moderately high. But, Sarah's could be borderline.
Either that or they will say that this is another Intersect with a flaw like Morgan's had.
i'm think maybe that's the point. having sarah deterierate so quickly further demonstrates how special chuck's brain really is. i don't know if thats the reason but it could be. i hope there's not a memory wipe out for sarah in the finale
DeleteSomething tells me you may not get your wish. That would be "slightly tragic".
DeleteI actually like the idea of Sarah loosing her memory. Then Chuck can win her over without the intersect and prove that Quinn guy wrong. Although there isn´t really enough time for that.
DeleteI really liked that twist a lot, particularly with the preview for next week showing where it is going. Good episode. They seemed to pack a lot in.
ReplyDeleteThe Buy More stuff was really funny. "Big Michele" indeed. I liked how they interwove Jeff and Lester throughout, had them find out the secret, and then gave them an out. But, I sense, we haven't seen the end of those two being part of a mission.
I have to say, I wasn't totally sold on the Nicholas Quinn character. I think his motivation is interesting. But, the actor didn't own his scenes the way that Timothy Dalton did.
I could get caught up in plot holes. Like, why is a display they put up in November still there? In the real retail world, it would have been replaced by several others by now. But, that was so small a part of the episode. So, he hid it. Whatever.
Bo Derek was better than I thought she would be.
Sounds like you forgot about the Buy More laziness. ;)Safecodes aren´t changed and displays are only switched out twice a year or so?
DeleteThe gender switched Buy More stuff was funny.
The lack of hotness has already commenced. After all the episodes already this season, people are still going into episodes expecting hotness? The ship sailed long ago folks.
ReplyDeleteI am excited Sarah has it, but it would have been far more better and shocking if like it's already been stated "everyone and their mother seems to have had the intersect now".
Also if it was in the works for Sarah to have the intersect since last season, why in the world give it to Morgan? Morgan should never have had it in the first place.
Yeah.. not sure why give it to Morgan either. I think it was like "Let's see how many cast members we can give the intersect" Haha.
DeleteStill.. I'm curious as to why Sarah was basically already experiencing the pains that Chuck went through at the end of S3. I guess that's just a way to show Chuck's truly special enough to have it.. that or just a plothole of sorts to make sure she's not as overpowered as she really could be with the intersect on full time. It's just like Superman movies and all that. Have to weaken him somehow, or he'd just run train over everyone. I guess they did that with Sarah in 4x11.
Still.. I'm pumped for next week.
Because they ran out of story lines.
DeleteI'm not kidding about that. So, they went for "let's just do the craziest stuff this season" route.
And they did.
"Lack of hotness" complaints. I called it.
DeleteSeriously, at least they were in bed at the same time for a few minutes, albeit with Chuck fast asleep.
Yeah but seems Sarah getting the intersect was going to be their main drama for the end, so why de-value that by already doing Morgan in the earlier part of the season. Just lazy and poor. Also if they ran out of story lines, why not have more self contained episodes and just more CS sex, simple! LOL
DeleteI actually think the way they used Morgan's time in the Intersect kind of made up for some of the mistakes earlier in the season.
DeletePerhaps, but I still think it cheapens Sarah having it.
DeleteThis episode was just pure FUN.
ReplyDeleteBut reading internet comments makes me sad. Sometimes it feels like the fandom consists mainly of emotionally disturbed teenage girls who are unable to view the show objectively, but instead go crazy whenever the plotlines don't go exactly as they would like.
Yep.
DeleteI haven't gone anywhere else but here, though. I swear this is a haven of sanity among Chuck discussion forums.
I don't think that's quite fair (and offensive to teens). I've read a lot of positive repsonses so far.
DeleteI could not agree more. Some people are so harsh and crazy. If I am entertained for an hour I am happy. So much anger when things don't go exactly the way they want. I picture a kid stomping their feet when I see some comments.
DeleteJennifer
Not every episode has to be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 for people to enjoy it.
DeleteWhere are those crazy comments? I wanna see!
DeleteThe whining about other people´s comment is at least as annoying as the comments themselves. And it´s hardly a requirement to read them.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
ReplyDeleteWhat is really funny is that I posted two kind of big spoilers way back in the summer and people dismissed them (I think even that douche over at ChuckTV commented on it, telling her readers that her super secret BS sources denied it).
ReplyDeleteYet again, even when I'm NOT posting spoilers, I prove that my sources are deep inside the production.
Deep... deep... so deep.... like sitting in the writers room deep. ;)
I have no idea why anyone would dismiss your comments. You have always been spot on and honest. Oh wait, because people are crazy. :)
DeleteJennifer
I've always appreciated that you don't post BS or screw around with us, DR. So when you post a spoiler I know it's solid.
DeleteCor
i dont know if this is you but i remember someone wrote about sarah getting the intersect!
DeleteSeriously. With all the boxes and titles in Orion's basement, they ran out of story lines. Now we really need a movie to start the series over from start to finish correctly.
DeleteJeff and Lester were great once again. Hopefully their upward trend continues through the finale.
ReplyDeleteIf Casey dies, I'll cry.
Ha. I just completely missed the big spoilers you may have posted because I sort of extracted myself from the fandom during the hiatus/break thing.
ReplyDeleteStill.. I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining about the 'lack of sexy times' because let's be honest.. we all know that's in the past anyway. Was more of a joke based on what DR said.
As it were, I'm still anxious to see where they go with this crazy storyline of theirs if they did indeed run dry on ideas. Didn't your ninja say 5.11 was a really solid one? Or are we past those he'd seen. I can't remember.
I am pretty sure the ninja who "reviews" episodes for me loved 5.03, 5.07, and 5.11 the most.
DeleteAnd before someone asks about 5.12 and 5.13... I may talk about them on the next podcast, whenever I do one again... which may be never at this point.
I really liked this one. It made me laugh quite a bit
ReplyDeleteBo Derek was a good sport about things. I enjoyed the groundhogdayification of Jeff and Lester. I'm glad Chuck was actually cute instead of annoying in this one. I also dug the bad guys backstory and why he's after Chuck.
My only real problem was the flashbacks dragged on a little too long for me.
My favorite internet comment is someone saying that they now know for sure it's not going to be a happy after.
ReplyDeleteThe people who jump to those conclusions deserve the hell they create for themselves. Let them wallow in it.
DeleteNot bad, not great, kind of a reset/set-up kind of episode again. I honestly enjoyed the Jeffster stuff more than the main storyline. And Quinn feels kind of like yet another sudden villain from left field. I'd kind of preferred if they drew on an existing villain like Shaw for the final showdown.
ReplyDeleteBut then the last five minutes...hooboy.
Cor
Gonna add to previous comments that I thought the Chuck/Sarah/Bo Derek stuff was really cute. Sarah cracked me up with her reaction to Bo Derek's accusal of what Chuck may have been doing with the poster.
ReplyDeleteRazorback, your ninja didn't count episode 12 or 13 as favorites?
ReplyDeleteIt is complicated... one, he hasn't seen them edited. Two, I need to kind of talk about it to explain his position on it and mine (based on everything I've heard).
DeleteHe and I both agree on the potential reaction by the fans. Essentially, what Yvonne's been saying is to keep the fans from shooting their television sets with a shotgun before the whole thing ends.
I don't understand this part,
Delete"Essentially, what Yvonne's been saying is to keep the fans from shooting their television sets with a shotgun before the whole thing ends."
hasn't what Yvonne's been saying (by calling it "tragic") doing the opposite effect? Also, both you and Yvonne said the end is satisfying. Do you stil stand by that?
"He and I both agree on the potential reaction by the fans. Essentially, what Yvonne's been saying is to keep the fans from shooting their television sets with a shotgun before the whole thing ends."
DeleteThat's hilarious and interesting given people have been throwing hissyfits already just from what she's been saying. OMG, if she's actually softening the blow I think some people are going to need to be put on suicide watch.
Intersect Sarah forgets Chuck and hooks up with Shaw resulting in a Shaw/Sarah baby that Chuck has to raise. Now that would cause the fans to shoot their TV's.
DeleteAnd in my usual ways... when someone guessed that Sarah would get the Intersect, I told them they were right.
ReplyDeleteAnd no one believed me.
After THREE YEARS of this, you would think people would figure my methods out by now.
Was that the comment that said it couldn't be true because you said it was and didn't delete it?
DeleteYup. I sometimes delete comments just to make people think they are onto something.
DeleteBut don't delete comments when they are. That way people always wonder...
I liked the episode but i've never liked how this show has the intersect involved in everything they do.
ReplyDeleteThat's my one major criticism of the show.
I don't think they needed to use the intersect as a plot device this season or even last season.
The show was opened with the intersect so it's fitting that the intersect is there to close it too.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. No one should be surprised.
DeleteHoping we get a podcast soon always great stuff and fun to listen to.
ReplyDeleteBen
If I ever find someone to do the podcast with me and ACTUALLY SHOW UP, then we will.
DeleteOtherwise, I will have to do one alone and I really don't enjoy doing that.
Understandable enjoy both solo and with others....on another noted also enjoy the daily articles.
DeleteBen
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
ReplyDeleteTsk tsk. No spoilers in here. :) Let people find it themselves.
DeleteHa! I actually read one before you deleted it for once.
DeleteMind you, if you read what was posted, that analysis wasn't totally accurate. But got the spoiler posting right.
DeleteI'm too lazy to find it myself. Link! Link! Hehe.
DeleteSorry, I keep it to myself. But I'm kind of dissapointed. I was realy hope the finale episodes is not gonna about some ............ pff XD
DeleteYeah, I'm pretty sure she's not going to **** *****. That's just silly.
DeleteI can read that **** *****. She'll porbably try too though.
DeleteThere was lots of funny stuff in the ep, but it was a bit strangely paced and somehow managed to turn a little boring in between.
ReplyDeleteLoved the ending. It made complete sense, that Sarah would take that risk when she didn´t have any lead on Chuck. She tends to go a little crazy when she loses him.
I guess they will have her experience problems right away. And with all those different versions and different consequences of people having the intersect, whe have seen, they certainly can play it that way.
Looked more likes Chuck´s problems in season 3 than Morgan´s virus issues or the Greta´s turned off emotions, but we will see. Shaw didn´t seem to have any problems strangely enough.
Well, perhaps there is a reason why Shaw didn't have a problem. Or why Morgan had it for a while and didn't have a problem. Or why Sarah has it for a short time but has a problem.
DeleteAgreed on the pacing, awelle. There were good moments in there, but it didn't engage constantly and flow naturally the way a great episode does.
DeleteIt could be derived from the s3 version rather than the emotional-suppressant GRETAsect or the Trojan Horse Morgansect. There's so many versions running around now that there's a lot of effects they could have chosen from for Sarah.
Shaw didn't have problems because according to the crazy shippers, he's a block of wood that has no emotions.
Cor
In regards to Sarah having a problem.. part of me just wants to say "Plot Hole Device ahoy'. Really really reminds me of how they treat Superman in movies/comics.. they've got to have him have a major crutch or he'd just wtfpwn everything in sight. Give the intersect to Sarah Walker and not have it have side effects? She'd run bullet-train (see what I did there?) on everything.
DeleteThen again, I'm sure I'm 100% wrong and there's some other 'mythology related' reason why it's messing up for her.
There definitely could be. That´s what I meant by they can play it in lots of different ways and throw in some explanation, that could make sense. Can´t really judge if it does, before they give it.
DeleteAnd just to give everyone something to moan about, maybe the intersect goes haywire at once in a pregnant woman´s brain. ;)
I think these writers have established that a woman's mind is more delicate than a man's and that she needs to make babies and breakfast to feel complete. So, getting the big bad Intersect in her head make blondie head hurtz!
DeleteAwelle--
DeleteWhat an evil thought. I think they laid the pregnancy scare to rest, but they never did explain why Sarah thought she might be pregnant and her symptoms.
Ok, reading this hurts my head. I wish Ellie had at some point had the intersect and been just as good at processing it than Chuck is.
DeleteMy head hurt comment is directed at DR´s comment not at MediaSavant´s. I felt that the pregnancy scare was just a scare as well.
DeleteI know that DR is very much exaggerated, but I really hope they don´t go in that direction in the slightest.
Yeah, I never caught you answering yes to the Sarah having intersect thing, otherwise I'd put more stock into it.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah.. the fans who paint this doom and gloom portrait are probably just trying to think *so* negatively, when something good/positive happens, they can be 'pleasantly surprised' by the whole ordeal or whatever. For me.. I'm just excited for whatever we get because any of the "Chuck" drama has never really been *too* dramatic.. only as dramatic as some of the fandom chooses to think about it. I've got hopes that it'll be a fun ride though!
It's actually a pretty sad ride from here on in. Like I (and now Yvonne) said, it kind of surprised me when I heard about the finale because I thought they would go for a more... Lord of the Rings type ending. You know, lots of sweet or sad goodbyes (which I think is appropriate for a show like this).
DeleteHow fans will absorb that will be interesting to see.
I say sad ride... but there are definitely uplifting and funny moments. But generally, it's not what I think anyone would have expected three months ago.
DeleteWell, fans like myself who visit here will be well-prepared.
DeleteI expected that as well, but I also like unexpected endings. So I am looking forward to just watch it unfold.
DeleteI still wouldn´t have minded the last 10 minutes or so to be quieter and more emotional. Don´t like the "edge of the seat until the very last minute" idea. But maybe they manage something like this with much less time devoted to it.
Well, LotR didn't exactly end happily for Frodo, so there's precedent right there.
DeleteI honestly would have expected something at least mostly conventionally "happily ever after" since, with a few moments like Papa B's death excepted, Chuck is generally a very low-stakes show when it comes to inflicting lasting damages. If they're pulling the unexpected it'll be interesting to watch.
Cor
It does get "quieter" but I probably would have done it differently.
DeleteAnd there is the potential that... if the actors aren't totally on their game, that it will suuuuuuuuuuuck like MISFITS season 3.
Not like Misfits season 3. That´s a horrible amount of sucking.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteFingers crossed. I'll keep optimism in the cast since they've managed to sell some really terrible writing before on this show, so none of them is a slouch. And I'd imagine for the finale and thus the last statement you'll ever make as an actor on this show, that's even more incentive to be on your A+ game.
DeleteCor
Cool episode, liked it. So I am guessing that her memory slowly goes as she goes on, at a much more rapid rate. So maybe the last 2 episodes will have everybody trying to have her remember her past with Chuck?
ReplyDeleteI don't know, anyway, I think it is a nice way to ramp up the urgency for the last three episodes.
I've come back from perusing other forums and I'm seeing mostly positive remarks.
ReplyDeleteLots of positive buzz yeah, but also observing negativity specially from those people that also hated the Santa-suit.
DeleteYou can't keep everyone happy.
DeleteThe finale will be interesting to observe reactions.
Just watched the episode again and Sarah going all badass at the end is pretty frakin' awesome.
ReplyDeleteI'd say the best action sequence this season, very well executed.
DeletePretty frakin´ awesome sounds about right. Very nearly made it already completely pay off.
Delete"You know, lots of sweet or sad goodbyes"
ReplyDeleteBut who would they say goodbye to? For instance it would be weird for CS to have that because they're married and unless something drastic happens, they'll be together until old age.
I like that it seems the last eps have focus on Chuck & Sarah. I know Chuck's the lead, but to me their relationship has always been the heart of the show.
Talk to me in two weeks. ;)
DeleteI love this show, and I want it to go out great. I really hope in two weeks when I do talk, it'll be about how this show went out on top (except for the ratings) and I applaud it.
DeleteI like that it's a sad ride. It'll make the hopefully happy end that much more sweeter.
ReplyDeleteTo the shows credit they have established that the intersect affects people differently.
ReplyDeleteSo if the intersect degenrates Sarah's brain quickly that doesn't come out of nowhere.
I really want to see some Ellie involvement as this Intersect business heats up. Her little part in this episode was cute, but Ellie has so much more potential when brain stuff is involved.
ReplyDeleteSo much potential there. I really hope they will use it for something as well. And it would be a reason to have her have scenes with Sarah, which I love.
DeleteMe too, MediaSavant. It feels like one last great opportunity to bring Ellie into the plot, and like awelle, I also really like Sarah/Ellie scenes.
DeleteYeah I'm a huge fan of the Sarah and Ellie scenes so it'd be cool for there to be some involvement there. I'm hopeful they don't go the "Lets have Sarah forget some stuff a la Morgan", Haha. I've been seeing that float around on twitter. People sure do go through the extremes for stuff.
DeleteIt's not a conventional finale? Guess we can probably kiss that house and the kids for them goodbye. Too bad the show spent all season harping on about it.
ReplyDeleteChekhov's Dream House with a Red Door/Chekhov's Baby would have me believe that after it's been brought up so much, there's a good chance they'll still get there. But the question will be what state they're in when they do. I have the feeling that if they have the house and kids, it'll be a quieter future that feels justifiably earned by the ordeal of the finale.
DeleteAfter all, to bring up the LotR comparison that DR started, the hobbits all got to go back home to the Shire like they dreamed, but it doesn't mean it was all warm and fuzzy after they went through utter hell.
Cor
That actually sounds pretty good to me. But I enjoy drama a lot.
DeleteAgreed with Cor, we've spent too much time focusing on the dream home/baby talk for that not to factor in somehow.
DeleteStill hoping we get there without having our heroes stripped out of their memories of each other and having to re-learn them or other such nonsense... but I'm not so sure at this point.
This comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteBut, the house talk kind of reminds me of Orion's basement in Season 4. A lot of fans thought that would continue to be an important element of the the show.
DeleteThe writers blew it up a third of the way through the season. Maybe NOT getting the house is part of sadness at the end.
Oh god, I'm reading that post from way back about you-know-what and it's just amazing. The comments. Your responses. Well-played, sir.
ReplyDeleteCurses, I wish I knew where to go :(
DeleteAgreed. I seem to remember reading that one at the time, but rereading it now with more context is just making me laugh. DR, you mad genius.
DeleteCor
I'm a pro. :)
DeleteWent back and re-read it also. That was so long ago I forgot about it. Reading some of your comments then and now knowing where they filmed some of the finale is also very interesting.
DeleteI've said this before, but you are brilliant. I found something else while I was looking that was also interesting, but I think I'll just file that away until the finale.
Pretty great episode. I laughed quite a bit at the early parts and I definitely didn't see that ending coming. To me that was the "never in a million years scenario" since why give Sarah the Intersect? She was already a super bad ass spy? But I give the writers mucho credit for going with it. It certainly threw a monkey wrench into the plans and I think it will make for some great moments next week. I also liked a lot of the Morgan stuff and the Jeff and Lester bit was at least well integrated into the episode. Looking forward to but also dreading the finale push next week :(
ReplyDeleteYou've made it known that it's more of a sad ride to the finish line and have expressed that you're interested to see how the fandom will react.
ReplyDeleteBut how do you like the way it's going to end?
If I ever do a podcast, I will give you my worries. ;)
DeleteCor, in the book, the hobbits return and the Shire has been taken over by Saruman. So they have to fight a final war to take it back. That is something Jackson cut from the movies because he felt it was to heavy of a subject for the audience to absorb after going through so much.
ReplyDeleteAnd he may have been right.
I'm not saying that the CHUCK finale is the Scouring of the Shire, but I guess it is somewhere between the two ideas. It's never as sweet if there is no pain getting there.
I'd actually feel 'meh' if it was all horse rides and happy times. I like when characters work hard for something and it's not just..given to them. I'd like to see them earn their own sort of happy ending, even if we don't really *see* said happy ending flesh out completely. That leaves for the audience's imagination!
DeleteSo I'm all good for whatever's to come.
DR, I've read it and yeah, the Shire storyline Tolkien wrote really was a massive gut punch. But even Jackson's movies did a pretty good job of hitting the WWI-inspired theme of "You can never go home again" fully because the ordeal's changed you so much.
DeleteAnd Wyndzorz, agreed. If they get the house and everything after that, it'll be far more meaningful than all the recent complaining and fretting about how they want out of the spy game and thinking in this episode they'd just gracefully step right out of it into "normal" life.
Cor
Sarah??? intersect???? At the begining of the season The show should have called "Morgan" and now should called "Sarah".
ReplyDeleteIt's ridiculous... Whole season was built up on other's stories...
First Morgan was the intersect...
Casey and verbanski..
Sarah and shaw and torture and baby and her mother and her handler, pregnancy and now intersect...
Chuck became a funny character like jeff and lesster.. He is in most of the scenes but the story arc wasn't about him directly...
Please watch this season again you'll see what I mean...
We'll see sarah in a hospital ??? because in the promo she hurt again... (like in last season )or she'll lose her memory???
Yvonne said something will taken away from them: their past or her memory???
or casey will shot again or anybody except chuck????
You did see that Chuck was abducted in the end of this episode, didn´t you? Chuck being lost to her and her being left with no way to get him back was the only reason Sarah used the intersect glasses.
DeleteAre chuck and sarah gonna split up cause of the different person she will become by the intersect
ReplyDeleteIt's never as sweet if there is no pain getting there.
ReplyDeleteSo Chuck has the pain, the end will be sweeter?
Btw next week looks great.
Well you did say Magnus that if we ever saw Chuck's PANTS box again it would be for a good reason! Maybe, I don't know, Chuck uses it to remind someone about something? ;)
ReplyDeleteAB
Ah, the magical PANTS box.
DeleteYvonne Strahovski says that she read her script, and said "She (Sarah) keeps a secret from Chuck" (The secret being the intersect) and that beyond that something else happens, which made her react "OMG how will they every get through this?" I'm thinking something happens or she does something under the influence of the intersect, that causes a rift in their relationship, or at least makes things hard for them.
ReplyDeleteI don´t recall Yvonne talking about Sarah keeping a secret. I thought that was from the description of 5.12. And that would mean the secret can´t be the intersect, as Chuck finds out about that in 5.11 per the promo.
DeleteAnd the 5.12 description mentions Sarah returning from a mission with a secret. So whatever happens on that mission could be what you describe, but that would then also be the secret.
Great episode! Just caught it on DVR after work scrape jaw off of floor after last few minutes!! Loved the Jacklyn Smith reference - hilarious! Jeffster hijinks also were also great. Loved the Vail anti-Buy More.
ReplyDeleteI am really hoping for more payoff from Decker's episode at the end of last season. He seemed to allude to a MUCH bigger back story than what we have seen so far, linking a whole bunch of early episodes in a new way.
I'm thinking something happens or she does something under the influence of the intersect, that causes a rift in their relationship, or at least makes things hard for them.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she kills someone they know? Whatever it is though it's not in her control, so it can't cause that much of a rift. Her actions aren't her own.
After Yvonne's comments, surprisingly many people guessed *the loss* would be memories, and it sure seems possible Sarah is headed that way.
ReplyDeleteI still think Chuck and Sarah will get their (at least relatively) happy ending, but I've never been a huge fan of memory-loss storylines and so I certainly hope that if it happens it will get dealt with long before the finale is over.
It the show ends with Sarah still having a fuzzy memory I think I'd throw something at the tv and then try to find something to erase the last 5 years of Chuck from my brain. :)
Sarah will get corrupted by the intersect. She will be forced to take on Chuck in episode 5.12 and forget they are married in 5.13. That sounds like something up Fedak's alley. Am I am warm?
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to confirm or deny that but I will say that it is at least a logical way of seeing the current setups. However, it could be even worse than that.
DeleteWorse than that, that is about Angsty as I can take. What the hell is Fedak's thinking?
Delete"Worse than that, that is about Angsty as I can take. What the hell is Fedak's thinking?"
DeleteI'm not sure either. I don't mind drama or moderate amounts of angst but hopefully things stay faithful to the mostly light-hearted tone of the show.
I'm really bothered by the memory loss thing because it's a plot device I've never seen used successfully. Or at least in a way that *I* would have liked.
I can only hope it's not a permanent thing, and that it will get resolved long before the finale ends but based on what we've heard it doesn't sound like that.
Worse than that? Worse is like her killing Ellie or something, or thinking she's married to Shaw.
DeleteI too don't mind angst and drama and I don't want their happiness to be achieved without some battles, but this is still Chuck not some dark and twisty show. Good needs to defeat evil, dreams need to be realised, and of course there has to be some emotional consequences in getting to that but there's also a line.
Unless worse means she could die. But that was the set up for last season's finale. No one believes anyone named Chuck or Sarah will die. So most likely it's something she does that is shocking.
DeleteThere's still that promised death (or 2). So, "worse than that" could be Sarah's being the one responsible.
DeleteThat does sound likely. But even if Sarah is corrupted by the intersect I don´t like the idea of being supposed to root for Chuck against Sarah in any way. And it will be for her own good of course.
ReplyDeleteThis might turn out to be a new and elevated way of the "take Sarah out for the finale" approach.
Some wanted Chuck to worry more for Sarah in Santa Suit. I can see now why there wasn't much of that there, they were leaving it for these episodes.
ReplyDeleteClick for my review of the episode.
ReplyDeleteChuck has the intersect in his P.A.N.T.S. Eps. 5.12 /Chuck vs. Sarah. They take on each other like him and Morgan did and he has to get her memory back. Then Beckman has to come in and erase both their memories. She gets killed by Quinn which causes all of them to get out of the spy business. They all move away. Happy ending.
ReplyDeleteThat would be absolutely, positively.. waay too bittersweet, even for me, an acceptor of bittersweet sort of endings. D:
DeleteAs long as the show ends up with Chuck and Sarah married & together and their memories intact (very important!), I can accept multiple ways of how they get there.
ReplyDeleteHowever if the above isn't where the show ends, I know I will be disappointed by the finale, and it would undoubtedly ruin the show's lasting legacy for as me well.
However if the above isn't where the show ends, I know I will be disappointed by the finale, and it would undoubtedly ruin the show's lasting legacy for as me well.
DeleteI agree.
Completely agree. I can handle some major angst/drama as long as we have that solid ending point. If not.. it'd be like going to a wonderful movie, only for the ending to be terrible leaving that lasting impression of "Wow.. this could have been so much better."
DeleteThey can always make new memories.
DeleteWorst than that??
ReplyDeleteNicholas Quin can make sarah hurt chuck?? This is the secret??
Sarah can erase chuck's memory to protect him??
Perhaps, through the intersect malfunction, Sarah loses the love, but also reveals to Chuck that all along she was following a mission. To handle him, in any way, to have the control of the intersect or the family that can make/handle the intersect, including convincing him she loves him, insert herself into his family/friends and marry him (this would explain showing us her conversation with Graham before meeting Chuck, as well as Decker's comment that this goes waaay back). Chuck realizes he was betrayed and Sarah, who will of course be returned to normal, now has to convince Chuck that despite all this she does in fact love him.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm worried too but I can guarantee no nonsense like this will happen.
DeleteLots of people are seriously freakin out. Well played show.. even I'm a bit worried.. You see I like serious drama and darkness in the show, but this is still a somewhat lighthearted show. There has to be a sort of happy ending at the end. I really think so.
ReplyDeleteS.
sarah sacrificed herself for downloading the broken intersect, now chuck should sacrifice himself to save sarah...
ReplyDeleteWho said anything about a broken intersect? No where does anything indicate its broken. Too much being made about that. Why would quinn want a broken intersect? In the buymore scene, he wanted the glasses then, he would have said they were of no use to anyone. I would be surprised if there was memory loss in a major way.
DeleteSo he intersect was supposed in a 50 year old fat guy all along . That makes sense !
ReplyDelete-sarcasm
Effin iPhone !
ReplyDeleteSo the intersect was supposed to go into a 50 year old fat guy all along . That makes sense .
-sarcasm
I thougt it was broken because in 5x11 promo it effects sarah...
ReplyDeleteBesides in last scene of 5x10 soldier said about chuck "he'll be needed". maybe Quinn try to download the intersect to chuck first to know intersect is Ok
it looked more like the problem chuck had in s3 where it began affecting him and he needed the governor. it's another play on how chuck is special and can handle the intersect better than most.
Deletetw0073
I said it could be worse...
ReplyDeleteWorse than a memory loss? Something non-physical?
DeleteEh, I got no ideas at the moment.
I'm sick of what happened to sarah this season!! she even effected from blast bomb in last episode... She became like casey:))
ReplyDeleteWhat's the worst thing than Sarah's memory loss???
Sarah's death?? But they used it last season.
i hope she puts a cap in chuck's butt. now that's drama.
ReplyDeletetw0073
Looking forward to how this will all play out and additionally why Quinn still needs.Chuck? Any luck in finding a co-host for a podcast ???
ReplyDeleteBen
Casey will die. His death will bring Alex and Morgan together for good. It will also be the reason why Morgan leaves the spy business (Alex doesn't want to lose anyone else that she loves). Speaking of losses, Sarah's memory will be wiped because of the intersect. She and Chuck go into hiding, with him now serving as her protector. The series has come full circle. It ends with a flash forward where Sarah and Chuck are a happy couple with children. Then an email will be sent to Chuck by..........John Casey. It will be the latest version of the intersect. Casey has been doing undercover work for years and has adopted a new identity. A global threat has emerged that only the human intersect can stop. Unfortunately, one of the Bartowski children opens the email and.....
ReplyDeleteI sincerely hope that nothing I wrote actually happens.
X
Damn... that's almost...
DeleteIf I'm in the ballpark with that nonsense, I must admit that I'll be disappointed.
DeleteX