We discuss CHUCK 4.12 and I answer spoilery questions around the 19 minute mark.
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Can you tell us how long sarah is going to have to work for volkoff. Is going to be for the rest of the season or is't going to be less then that?
ReplyDeleteWas the passion as passionate as you were told or did they cut something?
ReplyDeleteAndy
Please tell me that Casey is gonna be fine, Volkoff dies and Chuck FINALLY propose to Sarah!!!! Please!!!!=D
ReplyDeleteWhat's the status on Chuck and Sarah's deprived relationship? It's so sad to see them without each other
ReplyDeleteMan I loved this episode, which means people are going to be hatin' on it. Looking forward to your podcast.
ReplyDeleteWas the declining of the message what you thought people would be pissed at?
Great episode. Seeing the reactions should be...interesting.
ReplyDeleteSo after 4x13, given what you know, what episode are you personally anticipating the most?
Cor
Does HYDRA become significant in the rest of the season?
ReplyDeletecheers - Gringo Chuck Fan
Honestly, I think that folks would have more issues with Chuck's behavior than Sarahs.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't mama B grab the PSP device out of the container in papa B's named "Hydra"? Maybe that is the new info in the intersect. He didn't flash though...
ReplyDeleteHydra? Shout out to Lost? Ha
J
hydra is on one of the folder we see at the end of season 3 final is this linked?
ReplyDeleteAllow me to sum up all questions: Can you tell us what happens the rest of the season, as detailed as possible, and most importantly if-when-how-where Chuck and Sarah get engaged?
ReplyDeleteMorgan's Back To The Future Shirt
Hydra is the mythical creature with multiple independent acting heads that IIRC Hercules had to fight. Kind of appropriate for an organization that operates semi-autonomously on their own.
ReplyDeleteI laughed pretty hard when I heard GRUNKA... I bought a set last month from IKEA.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Morgan get bullets for next weeks mission?
/Oliver
@Paul I agree the whole my Sarah won't change thing was kind of lame. It telegraphs what the talks and possible proposal delay will be about. So I'm more bothered by what Chuck did than Sarah. That part I didn't like but so much I did. 1 other thing how many times have they used the declined phone call plot device? 4 at least time to find something better to ramp up the angst.
ReplyDelete1 question Magnus, Hydra was shown in the Orion Cave how would he have known about it if he was not in contact with Mary, which I have been hoping for. Will that element of it and its possible inclusion in intel in the laptop come into play?
"Doesn't mama B grab the PSP device out of the container in papa B's named "Hydra"?"
ReplyDeleteJ, the container was called Euryphia or something like that, not Hydra.
Awesome stuff here, Magnus. Just ran across your site. Cool thing what you do here with Chuck.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, a question if you have the time to answer it.
Why do the majority of Chuck fans overreact on basically..anything dramatic/angsty around Chuck and Sarah? Yeah, the whole Casey getting pushed out of a window and nearly dying thing was.. a bit rough, but I know by now that Chuck trusts Sarah, though he's just confused and torn up over her having to go through this mission. Yet some Chucksters seem to think there's going to be a big break up, or whatever. I seriously doubt they'd break up just like that.
Anyway, keep up the good work. Here's hoping we don't have to wait all the way until 4.16 for some good Charah action!
Dear Darth Razorback, besided Roan and Carina, have you heard of any returning characters coming back in future episodes yet(ex. Jill, Cole, Papa B, etc.) and are we going to see another late appearance from Volkoff later in the season?
ReplyDeleteMagnus, do you agree that Chuck and Sarah need to bring sexy back?
ReplyDelete@uplink, it is entirely conceivable that Orion came across Hydra during his own research. Doesn't need to mean that he and Frost were in contact.
ReplyDeleteWell I think that this might help my idea.
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The scene with Volkoff and Chuck holding the gun on him was shot in Orion's cabin.
I think it was once asked whether we will find out what makes Chuck so "special" and you said "yes". But, other than his ability to download so many intersects, have we really seen the answer?
ReplyDeleteOne more question Magnus, with the fact that the Chuck/Volkof scene takes place in Orion's cabin have any relation to the whole PSP, Laptop, Hydra intel in Orion Cave coming together? Did Chuck go there first or Volkof?
ReplyDeleteSo was stuff added to make Sarah's Casey-tossing a little more palatable than the original script? As it ended up, there was nothing that the viewer had any reason to get angry at Sarah about, except maybe the phone thing. That's not to say some people won't, but then some people are morons.
ReplyDeleteEven the phone thing, while kind of cliched for this show, made sense. I mean, she thinks she's just accidentally killed Casey and doesn't know how to come back from that. On the other hand, I think someone should take her aside and mention that her future mother-in-law may not be the best source of relationship advice.
Oh, and as for the episode overall: great stuff. Can't wait to see what Chuck does now that the proverbial last straw has broken the proverbial camel's back.
Jim
My question is: Poor Casey has now been shot THREE times on this show and thrown 9 stories off a building to his (almost) death. So what's next for him, will he be set on fire!? Put through a wood chipper?? ;-) And will Chuck and Sarah ever take the load off him and share any of the pain/punishment since they rarely walk away with so much as a cut or a bruise? It's only fair!! Lol I'm just starting to feel really sorry for our dear Casey.
ReplyDeleteHey its great to see Alex back in the show after she hasnt been around much since chuck vs the couch lock. as morgan now thinks he is in love with her but chuck is without sarah will that make him hesitant to make any moves with alex?
ReplyDeleteMy question: Would I be right in assuming there's a big time jump from 4.12 to 4.13, considering Ellie is still early in her pregnancy in 4.12, Sarah is seemingly gone for a while and Casey is in a coma?
ReplyDeleteHi Magnus,
ReplyDeleteSince when did Casey become the Kenny of CHUCK. I mean every episode Kenny dies on Southpark and it seems that Casey is the only character who gets shot, slammed around the head with a frying pan or in this case thrown out of a building. Is this Casey's role now, Crash Test Dummy of CHUCK! Thank the almighty that this is chuck and by the end of next episode casey will be awake and talking, because this episode would have hate sarah first fans foaming at the mouth, lol.
Concerning Sarah's seduction in episode 4.14... did I read somewhere (it may have been speculation, not a spoiler) that the team is facing an army of women? This ep. does involve Roan, so I expect lots of beautiful women to be around. Could it be that Chuck is shocked to see Sarah easily seduce another woman?
ReplyDeleteMy question/request is a spoiler about 4.15 that we don't already know.
ReplyDeleteTS
My question: Although you have said that you won't give any teasers to 413, can you at least say whether there will be any good and/or Chuck and Sarah scenes in the next episode?
ReplyDeleteAB
Dear DR. Thank you for the podcasts every week and the teasers. I also appreciate that you tease really instead of spoiling things outright. It shows you are a fan of the show yourself and don't want to ruin the fun for the rest of us.
ReplyDeleteMy question is more of an opinion one for you. Knowing what you know and how things are going for the next several episodes. And I know you don't know how it is edited and just shot. As a fan are you excited about what is coming up in the next several episodes and how it plays out or are you questioning the writers at all?
Thanks again. Joe
Magnus,
ReplyDeleteBased on what you know about the next few episodes and what you understand how the show works in general, do you have any idea how the backend of the season is made up? Will we for example see season 2 type of rollercoaster ride or will we continue with the “safe” path season 4 has been so far?
-Manuel
Rob Said - "My question: Would I be right in assuming there's a big time jump from 4.12 to 4.13, considering Ellie is still early in her pregnancy in 4.12, Sarah is seemingly gone for a while and Casey is in a coma?"
ReplyDeleteWell there was a time jump of almost a month between 4.11 and 4.12. It wouldn't be huge for there to be one between 12 and 13.
What are these future plans concerning?
ReplyDeleteMabalsa Ritchie
Magnus, loved the episode and thought the execution was right on! The promo showed that this might be the springboard for badass Chuck - Volkoff took everything etc. - which usually involves Chuck being smart or "Chuck the solution". So the questions: How much does Chuck being smart play into his badassness, and when he is done being his badass self on Volkoff, what will be the reaction of the Sarah & Mary?
ReplyDeleteThanks in advance!
Did I miss the HAWT sequence between Chuck and Sarah in 4.12?
ReplyDeleteTS
I think the passionate kiss was HAWT since there was lots of groans of pleasure, but yeah if you look they did cut some of it out....
ReplyDeleteHow disappointed were you when you saw the kiss scene? Super edited.
ReplyDeleteHow important will be Morgan's role in the next episode?
Thanks!
Wasn't "Hydra" one of the project Chuck's dad was working on??? I thought I remember seeing a box or file with that name on it in the basement of the house. That would be a killer of a twist if he was working for Volkoff too.
ReplyDeleteTS
Magnus, DR, Don't answer my question about missing the hawt scene between Chuck and Sarah.
ReplyDeleteI watched it again .. I guess I was looking for more.
TS
Hello Dear DR:
ReplyDeleteFirst off.
Thanks for you work, you are realy awesome, and thanks to you I enjoyed more this episode then I expected. It was awesome I prepare some Apocalypse, but no it was awesome. so thanks ;)
let me ask two question
since, the whole season is all about Sarah love for Chuck, and I'm ok with this, I realy love what Yvonne is doing in this season, put Chuck and Sarah is realy open the dore for Yvonne, and for Sarah, so I love it.
But, there will be some scene where Chuck is the good boyfriend and Chuck is doing some awesome stuff for Sarah, or epic ,
and I don't mean by proposal, or romantic dinner.
and 4.13 is Chuck episode right? But you think this is His best episode, or he will get more episode like this
I mean what can we expect from Chuck in the back 11, He is still going to be the guest star in the Sarah SHOW ? . LOL.
I don't mean it too seriously ;)
Keep you good work !!!!
Do you think with how the ratings have averaged 1.9-2.0 and in compared to the rest of NBC's hour long scripted programs that a 5th season being better than 50/50, that it changes the story somewhat than it would say if the show was getting a 1.2 and certain cancellation ?
ReplyDelete- morgan's attempted tough guy voice
Probably won't get answered but do you pay attention to the music used in scenes? Cause last night the last song at the end. "Sylvia" definitely helped set tone they wanted.
ReplyDeleteMy real question is, why have they mad Devon much more annoying this season? It's like he's the wife.
I just realized I sad mad instead of made and Devon instead of CAPTAIN AWESOME.
ReplyDeleteDR, My question is from what you know about the up comimg episodes do you see Chuck being the big man for Sarah? Sarah has proven her love over and over kicking butt, working for Volkoff, ect. Is Chuck going to do big things for Sarah? Or will Vivian gget the Chuck hero stuff?
ReplyDeleteTS
The best 10 minutes will probably be the bay being born, Fedak seemed to be really excited about that.
ReplyDeleteMabalsa Ritchie
J asks ...
ReplyDeleteWhen is Captain " Awesome " going to start to be ... you know.. AWESOME again ?
Decent Question: How big of a role will Vivian play for Chuck? (without making it sound like sarah and chuck are breaking up :P)
ReplyDeleteMabalsa Ritchie
Finale overnights are in. It's kind of a case of rounding working against you.
ReplyDeleteLast week was a 2.06, which got rounded to a 2.1. This week it was a 1.94, which gets rounded to a 1.9.
It will look like a 0.2 drop, when it was really .12
Also, Men 18-49 held to last week's rating(2.0 vs. 2.02). It was Women 18-49 that dropped vs. last week and caused the drop this week.
Harry's Law defied the critics who panned it and got a 2.12.
The Cape came in at 1.62.
"it's like he's the wife"? What's that supposed to mean? That because he's nervous and anxious and wants everything to be as good as it can be for his baby, he's annoying, and somehow that is something only a 'lowly' woman would do? Sheesh! Take a step into the 21st century!
ReplyDeleteThey've been playing this side of Devon since he found out about Chuck being a spy - Devon is 'awesome' when he is in his comfort zone and in control, but is a regular person when he can't control a situation, particularly one concerning the people he cares about.
Hmm that comment may have come on a little strong but I found it irritatingly sexist.
Holy COW. This was like THE episode of awesome. I LOVED IT - the writers do have balls (of steel). Was it weird that I was smiling a bit through the entire episode? I think it might be because we know how this all is going to play out... or at least partially. (I am a shipper and I was kind of worried what was going to happen in this episode, but they executed it so well! Darn it, I can't wait another week :'()
ReplyDeleteQuick question, will they have the "at odds" situation sorted by the end of the episode or will it go on for a few more episodes? Thanks
ReplyDeleteNO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE PODCAST. Anything from this point on will not make it. Thank you for your questions.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a sexist comment. I'm a woman myself. I was just saying that he's not the pregnant one. He's not the one that's gonna be pushing out a baby. Everyone gives crap to Chuck for not manning up, but Awesome, has not been so Awesome lately. That's all I was trying to say.
ReplyDeleteCristal, wrong. Awesome is always Awesome.
ReplyDeleteOk, I'm listening to the podcast. I sound stupid now. I definitely enjoy Awesome being Awesome right now lol. It is funny; and I'm done.
ReplyDeleteCristal, don't be so hard on yourself. I like to use people's questions to forward comedy.
ReplyDeleteHAHA! I forgot Awesome is your favorite character. My apologies. I need to be more respectful to you're own awesomeness. Do you really like Awesome more than Sarah though? I'm team Sarah all the way.
ReplyDeleteAs I have said many, many times... I am Sarah. Sarah is me. So, I identify with her. I root for her. I always feel like I understand exactly where she is coming from. But that also means she can't be my favorite character. It would be like saying I am my favorite person. That is too much ego for even me. ;)
ReplyDeleteI tend to love loyal, kind, and moral characters the most. Awesome wins there. He is followed by Morgan and Chuck.
Thanks for the answer! If 4x13-18 are as good as 11 and 12 have been we're in for a great time as fans.
ReplyDeleteCor
Squeaking in late after the podcast here--just remembered this one, though.
ReplyDeleteAfter 4x13 airs, any chance you'll explain the old photo montage spoiler for the front 13 you posted back in September?
Thanks again, Magnus. What you do for the fans is awesome.
Cor
Cor, I can't really explain it since 4.13 doesn't end the way 4.13 would have ended if there had been no pickup.
ReplyDeletelistened to your podcast. Why do you rag on Chucktv when it only makes you look like a pissy little girl? You clearly are the master of the Chuck spoilers and have insider information. When they screw up and post what you know is wrong then bring it up, laugh about it then move on. The cheating on you with you kiss was the hottest of the season, and yes the kisses need to be hotter but in Yvonne's defense, its hard to kiss one with dragon breath.
ReplyDeleteLadies and gentlemen, Fred... ChuckTV's typical reader.
ReplyDeleteGreat podcast as always !
ReplyDeleteI should have asked this question for the podcast ( too busy today ) .
Since 4.16 is titlled Chuck versus the Masquerade , will there be a Chuck and Sarah dance in the episode ( hopefully the forbidden kind ) ? This next set of episodes past 4.13 sound incredible . Oh , and nekkid Carina in 4.15 ? Daddy likes !
- Ryan
Hey Fred, are you insulting Zach Levi's breath? I have met Zach Levi at various charity events (not saying which ones because it is a corporate thing...my job) but the close proximity that I got to him each time he did not have dragon or bad breath you Philastine. Sorry Magnus but I do not like people insulting one of the nicest people I have ever met, just listen to what Matt Bomer has to say about Zach!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs3YY4H-ztg
So Fred go back to chucktv.net, that dump of a site and keep your uninformed decisions to yourself!
For all the fans complaining about these last two episodes....have people missed that we have learnt 2 things about sarah! one that her parents proposal was not great and that her mom's family owned an italian restaurant. Also in this episode we learnt that sarah likes to play board games with chuck after a mission and eat pizza (without olives)...So people we are on a roll! lol.
ReplyDeleteNow here is the question, does she like to play board games because chuck likes it or it actually relaxes her? that is the questions we should be asking! LOL.....
Thanks for answering my question Magnus. Yes, Chuck's badass-ness coming from being smart is probably the biggest spoiler of the podcast - and what I hoped for.
ReplyDeleteBrendon, well said. Plus, Zac pops mints before kissing scenes!
ReplyDelete"Cor, I can't really explain it since 4.13 doesn't end the way 4.13 would have ended if there had been no pickup. "
ReplyDeleteCan you tell us how 4.13 would have ended without the pickup, sometimes later perhaps?
Andy
Andy, I will eventually talk about how 4.13 would have ended without the pickup.
ReplyDeleteOh no! My question was suppose to say "will there be any good or HOT chuck and sarah scenes in the next episode!" I probably should have proof read what I typed before I submitted it, but I guess that is what you get when you try to type a question while pretending to pay attention in class. lol
ReplyDeleteAnyways, great podcast as always and I can't wait for the next episode!
AB
WTF is wrong with this Fred person?
ReplyDeleteIs he just upset because he is old and lonely and will never get to kiss Yvonne despite all the love letters in scented paper he sent her?
Or is he upset that Yvonne perhaps found his full body tattoo of her face very creepy and he spend all the money from his vintage Millenium Falcon paying for said tattoo?
ps.: I do not know this Fred person (thankfully), I am just assuming that his bizarre behaviour could somehow be understood...
HAHAHAHA Mabalsa Ritchie, I see what you did there ;)
ReplyDeleteI must really like the sound of my own voice... I have listened to this podcast four times.
ReplyDeleteWell this is actually a really good podcast. But I see you not allow my last comment, yeah I know why LOL.
ReplyDeleteBUT
Thanks that you answered my question ;).
Ohh and this song “Silvia” by Miike Snow. You right, a good music can make very very powerful a moment, I can't belive I'm saying this but this was maybe my 3-4 favorite ending . But this is a very hard list now. Top 5 ending for me, at least for now .
Living Dead
Honeymooners / Lethal Weapon - I can't choose XD
the Gobbler - New favorite
Three Words - I realy love this one , Chuck confession and Sarah reaction , Yvonne
was so awesome. But the sad part, " that ending " is not lead anywhere.
Finally got a chance to listen to the podcast. Very enjoyable. I love having the episode and then your podcast to look forward to every week.
ReplyDeleteI too loved the Casey moment you spoke of, although what made the scene for me was Chuck's face when his frown turned into the "Great" grin. SOOO adorable.
Sue, I think that whole scene is great. I could put it in a loop and watch it all day. It shows how much Casey cares about Chuck, and of course how much Morgan needs his buddy to be happy. And it shows how much Chuck depends on his friends to help him through the wait for Sarah to return.
ReplyDeleteI have had those moments many times with my friends, especially after a break up.
Now I feel shallow. :)
ReplyDeleteYou are right. The whole scene was great. It was touching how much they wanted to keep Chuck's spirit up. I really liked that the scene came in an episode where Casey said he uses actions and not words to show his love. I felt that scene was a demonstration of that fact.
Except Casey DID use words. He was saying "I love you enough to lie." :)
ReplyDeleteI am a crazy shipper when it comes to that scene. Baldwin's delivery was perfect. As was Zac's.
Good podcast. I'm glad that someone else is noticing the lousy kisses between Chuck and Sarah. I think that it's been going on since season 3. I thought the kiss in the bar in Pink Slip looked funny. I also remember a lot of people (myself included) complaining about the kisses in Other Guy.
ReplyDeleteThe kisses are especially jarring when I think back to 1.09 where there was actual tongue action going on. In that episode I could sense actual lust between the two which has been sadly lacking.
Also they haven't shown (by network TV standards) Chuck and Sarah having sex once this season. They also haven't shown them just finished having sex.
I share your opinion that it isn't a dealbreaker just an irritant.
Sam
I love Hannah! Bring her back! When she said she worked for a "private investor who flies her around to fix problems for him" she was talking about Volkoff!! .......maybe
ReplyDeleteI think, I do not know, but I think that there has been season 1.09 kisses, but the. Ep's make the editors cut around them. Why? Who knows, maybe they think that they are dirty for people who are in love and should only be for people who are in lust.....I mean it is so obvious the kisses are cut, look at the last one in gobbler at one moment both their hands are on each others faces then next picture suddenly they are not. If people have a problem do not blame characters, write to Schwartz and fedak......and ask them to leave it in and the sex scenes yeah who knows......
ReplyDeleteJane, pretty much. If you want them hotter, ask the show runners to make it so.
ReplyDeleteI rarely comment on the kissing/sex issue, but I think once the show started going down the road that Chuck and Sarah's kisses were "sweet" rather than "hot and messy"--and that was a while ago--it was hard for them to go back.
ReplyDeleteWhen you've passed up a couple of obvious opportunities where it would make sense for the kisses to be hotter and you skip it, it becomes harder and harder change the style that has been established.
This begs the question of why they are filming them in the first place. For the pleasure of the crew and the editors?
It would make on hell of a DVD extra to compile all that cut material, but I doubt they will.
Maybe because the budget is so low that DVD would be the end of year bonus for the employees, lol
ReplyDeleteIt is never too late to make the kisses hotter.
ReplyDeleteMagnus,
ReplyDeleteThank you for answering my teaser/spioler request on your podcast. Morgan must have brown pants knowing he got something from Carina Casey wanted. Now Caraina is back for more?
TS
Will Carina be humiliated at all in episode 4.15, or will she continue to do the humiliating? Also, do you know if Alex's mother is scheduled to make another appearance?
ReplyDeleteTripolina
"Also, do you know if Alex's mother is scheduled to make another appearance?"
ReplyDeleteThis is partially answered by the 4.14 press release on spoilertv.
Ah, but the real spoiler would be if she's going to interact with Casey at all, or just Morgan!
ReplyDeleteI can let most plot holes go and just enjoy Chuck but with Alex's role in this season and her being involved in Casey's life and seriously dating Morgan, the Casey/Kathleen one really begs for resolution.
Although Casey showing up to walk Alex down the aisle with Kathleen being clueless still would make for one amazingly awkward Morgan/Alex wedding in, say, s6...
Cor
It is not a plot hole... until it is a plot hole. So, just be patient and wait for it. :)
ReplyDeleteI know there's been a lot of talk about the level of passion of past and present Chuck/Sarah kisses, but in the hopes of putting this topic to bed (haha, get it?) can you give any insight into the probability of more of it to come in either 4x13 or the back 11 episodes?
ReplyDeleteThanks Magnus, you're the best!
-Melissa
Oh, even if they never addressed it, it's not going to significantly knock my enjoyment of the show, Magnus, no worries. I'm not even going to threaten to quit watching over it. ;)
ReplyDeleteCor
We don't care about fanny, but c**t is one of the worst words you can say! (I'm in the UK)
ReplyDeleteMolly, so then it should only be used to describe someone horrible? Excellent. Appropriately used.
ReplyDeleteI was gonna say, it was news to me that we got offended by 'fanny'.
ReplyDeleteIt's a fairly humourous and light-hearted jibe normally.
Oh, and I agree with the whole board-game scene being my favourite Casey moment. I can't believe I laughed so much at two words.
Obviously, every single Brit I have ever known, is a liar. Now I can never trust a Brit ever again.
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