As I posted HERE... if you want to get a CHUCK movie or web series or anything else related to the show some day, convince WB to do it by spending money on the show. That's the only way it will happen.
So, start here by ordering season 5 on DVD ($29.99) or Blu-Ray ($36.99). Then order the other seasons. Or wait for the box set in... a year or ten (I have no clue why there is a boxy thing at the end of each link, blame Amazon). I get a massive 4% of every sale.
SEASON 5
Chuck: The Complete Fifth Season
Chuck: The Complete Fifth Season [Blu-ray]
SEASON 4
Chuck: The Complete Fourth Season
Chuck: The Complete Fourth Season [Blu-ray]
SEASON 3
Chuck: The Complete Third Season
Chuck: The Complete Third Season [Blu-ray]
SEASON 2
Chuck: The Complete Second Season
Chuck: The Complete Second Season [Blu-ray]
SEASON 1
Chuck: The Complete First Season
Chuck: The Complete First Season [Blu-ray]
UPDATE: Here is the apparent "box set" for CHUCK. Order at your own risk (I say that because I still haven't seen what makes it worth that price).
Chuck: Season One - Season Five [Blu-ray]
Chuck: Season One - Season Five
Or find it cheaper somewhere else.
Razorback, I was going to wait until the S5 DVD was released in Australia. Would it be more beneficial to buy from Amazon or it doesn't matter as long as I buy it?
ReplyDeleteTo be honest the end left me with a bitter taste so much so I didn't want to buy the S5 dvd. However, Yvonne (and Zach) have put some much effort and class to bring Sarah & Chuck to life, that no matter what I feel about the end, their performances & these characters deserve to be appreciated. So I'll buy the DVD. To support them & if a movie happens, that'll be the bonus.
Just buy it from wherever. I just left those links up since I can make a few pennies (granted, like 10 people order from my links anyway).
DeleteI would want you to get some pennies considering what you do, so if I decide to buy from Amazon, I will use your links.
DeleteAre the older seasons still selling ? Have international sales been " optimistic " in the past ? Or is the U.S. still the bread and butter of DVD sales ?
ReplyDeleteI don't think there is any region with bigger sales numbers than the US, at least for CHUCK. I've never heard of some massive CHUCK home video sales anywhere else, unlike a show like HEROES where sales in parts of Asia were huge.
DeleteHey DR, remember a few months back when we were talking about saving money and there being a complete series box set? Well the producers are making it seem like its not that certain of a release. What are your thoughts?
ReplyDeleteI'd say it's not that certain of a release at this point. You can wait to see if it happens, but you may be waiting a long time.
DeleteEnjoy the 4% from my order.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Mel. :)
DeleteDo you know if the US dvd will work on European devices? Cause I know sometimes there's problem of region...
ReplyDeleteChloe
I don't think they do. Though, I have heard the Blu-Ray has worked between regions (granted, that was in a Playstation 3 forum, so perhaps it is related to that player specifically).
DeleteOkay thanks for the info ;)
DeleteI'm torn. I do want a movie, mostly because I felt so betrayed by the finale... but destroying 5 years of character growth from Sarah Walker doesn't exactly get me in the line for the DVDs.
ReplyDeleteMostly I'm pissed off at myself for getting so emotional over a tv-show.
Consider the finale a screw-up as opposed to an intended ambiguity and it gets easier to let go of the bitterness. Don't let that episode define the series for you.
DeleteI want to thank you Magnus. You are the only person who has made me feel better about the finale. You never made feel stupid or dumb about my feelings or tried to change my feelings. I really appreciate it.
ReplyDeleteI call it like I see it. Though, I am not as upset by it as some of you. But I can understand why you are and it is the fault of the writers. Just because some people like it, or decided to not have problems with some of the most obvious missteps, is their deal and I don't even care about trying to change their minds either.
DeleteWe experience these things in our own way. But I don't think anyone should allow that finale to ruin the entire show for them. Give it time and then watch episodes that still make you happy.
I never in my life wanted to upvote/like/+1/orwhatever a comment more than this one right now. You sir, hit the nail in the most perfect way.
DeleteI'm finding it hard to even want a movie from the people who had 13 episodes, knowing full well it was the end, and still not wrapping up the show in any sort of manner. Why would I reward that with my money? Who's to say a movie wouldn't screw things up more?
ReplyDeleteReward the series, not the finale.
DeleteLike DR said: "But I don't think anyone should allow that finale to ruin the entire show for them."
If you're complaining about the end, you obviously care enough about the show. Make that matter.
Sadly those are my feelings too. After such an unsatisfying ending for Chuck and Sarah why should I give them any more of my money in hopes of getting a movie? I would take Push Mix, Cliffhanger or even Ring Part 2 over the finale we got any day.
DeleteAt the same time, I do desperately want a better, less ambiguous future for my favorite characters... so yeah, very mixed feelings here.
Now, IF they first fixed the problems (and by fixing I mean fully restoring Sarah's memories) in another way, perhaps by doing a comic book mini-series, then I'd be very happy to support the movie.
I don't know how much serious consideration TPTB have given to other mediums, but if Joss Whedon can continue the stories of Buffy and Angel in a comic book form then why couldn't Chuck and Sarah & the resto of the gang get the same treatment?
Don't get me wrong, I want to see Zac, Yvonne, Adam and all the rest back, but while waiting for that I think a comics mini-series could help the fans who are disappointed to regain some of that lost trust. And it would be a lot easier to actually to realize than a movie/webisode.
Thoughts on Chuck comics?
This is juts my opinion, but if there ever was going to be a movie, I think that Fedak and Schwartz would make it perfectley clear that the Sarah we see is the Sarah we know and that she will have all her memories back.
DeleteFrom every interview I have seen, while adimtingly leaving it open ended, they always intended for Sarah to get her memories back in one way or another. (I am pretty sure that is what they wanted the fans to decide...when not if; Fedak himself said she will remember as time goes on)
Plus, the fans would not want it any other way. Even if you loved the finale, I assume you would expect to see our Sarah Walker with memories intact, and I am pretty sure Fedak and Scwartz would realize that.
Now kind of an off topic question, but does anybody know what was behind Stargate getting a couple straight to DVD movies after their show ended. Were the ratings that good, were the DVD sales that good. What warranted them getting movies that is different from Chuck
She eventually got her memories back. But I don't think that is what bothers some people. I think it is the general manner in which we got to that ending. It just feels... off.
ReplyDeleteBy only having one episode between where she loses her memory, then accepts that what Chuck told her is true, and then accepts Chuck back into her life, the writers didn't give the characters time to earn that moment on the beach.
We needed at least one more episodes where we watch her process of figuring it out. We go from "I don't feel it" to "I feel it" and nothing is earned in between.
That is their failure.
Excactly, which is why I think it was a mistake to let her say "I don't feel it" at the end of 5x12 just for the sake of a dramatic episode ending. After she saw her vlogs you could clearly see that Sarah felt something (maybe it wasn't written that way, but poor Yvonne probably couldn't hold it together and who can blame her for that)
DeleteAs always, everything was just to rushed, they should have left out Business Trip or Baby...
Exactly. They did it for dramatic effect but it is essentially what deflates the ending. Not enough time for them to earn it. Simple. And part of that is also related to all that time they wasted on a pointless spy story.
DeleteI think it is the general manner in which we got to that ending. It just feels... off.
DeleteVery, very well said. No duh Sarah got her memories back but like you said, the ending was not earned. We barely saw her interacting with anyone but Chuck, the others acted like her losing her memories was of no significance to them, we went from cold hearted Sarah to laughing Sarah with no in between. The transition was not smooth.
I don't want a comic for the simple reason that the actors brought these characters to life in such a way that you could ignore the lame plotting. A comic would highlight the issues with storytelling and put the spotlight on the plot with no great actors to make it work.
I guess we can assume when she said "I don't feel it" she was just lying to herself and scared. But even so, they did it for dramatic effect and didn't pay it off. She may have felt it in the end, but the middle was not satisfying in any way.
DeleteThey should have killed Quinn at the end of the second act and had the next 3 acts having all the characters trying to jog Sarah's memory by re-creating specific scenarios from her past . That would have been fun and heart warming way to end the series .
DeleteAnd I agree with comment about NO to a comic book . Nobody cares about the story of the show ( other than the character story ) . It's the actors that brought these characters to life and I think that's what everybody would want to see . Not read about it .
I would have just left out Baby and started the Sarah getting the intersect storyline one episode sooner.
ReplyDeleteChuck versus the Baby served no purpose whatsoever so they should have just not bothered with it.
That's what I said five seconds after that episode ended.
DeleteI hate "Baby."
Well, to be fair, Baby was supposed to tell a little bit of Sarah's background story. That was fair game and I can't blame them for doing it. I just blame them for failing at it.
DeleteBusiness Trip however was just totally unnecessary.
To be fair, they pulled Baby out of their arses and it didn't tell any useful back story whatsoever.
DeleteYes they did. In order to resolve the mother story line. And again, I can't blame them for trying it, but they failed miserably.
DeleteI blame them for trying. No one forced them to do it.
DeleteNo one ever forced them to do anything, they probably just wanted to give us a Sarah centric episode because last years vs. Phase Three was quite popular.
Deletevs. DeLorean never served any story purpose either, I still liked.
Was it necessary in regards to the story? No. But I would have enjoyed it if it wasn't that bad written.
Business Trip served more of a purpose than Baby did.
ReplyDeleteIn Business trip it set up Casey being in prison and Decker being killed off in Hack off.
I'll give you that.
DeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteStargate SG-1 got good ratings by cable standards for a very long time.
It built up quite a good sized fanbase to the point that MGM thought they could make a profit on straight to DVD movies.
Also the straight to DVD movies were made when the show was still in production and all the sets were still there so it didn't cost anything to build new ones.
It's my understanding that the Stargate SG-1 DVD movies did very well.
Brian
BSG's post series finale movie was also shot while the sets were still available.
DeleteAs long as the sets are still up, there is a possibility. Once they are down, that possibility shrinks big time. That's why, despite the big talk that SGU was going to get a DVD movie or whatever else they said, I knew it wouldn't happen.
If they take down the sets, the show is a goner for good, 9 out of 10 times.
this is true . but if they continue with the show in any way , it will most likely pick up years later . They wouldn't need the old sets . Just a logical story that would have the cast come back together in some form .
DeleteI still think that an actual movie coming to theaters has a ZERO chance of happening . Webisodes or tv/dvd movie would be the more likely route if it were to happen .
For all the money WB will make this year on the Batman movie . I'd like to see them take like $ 4-6 M make a chuck movie available online through like iTunes for like $10 and see how well it does . If there is interest in it and people pay for it , whos to say that down the line that other studios wouldn't try that model with other properties ?
Regardless of the show not using the old sets you'd still have to build a new one which costs money.
DeleteBrian
by the way there is a season 1-3 box set I can't remember where I saw it but I know there is one well at least in Canada.
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Deletewhen the details of the chuck season 5 dvd said that there will be extended scenes from the finale, does that mean that there will be an addition to the final scene or is there no possibility of that happening. either way they are doing a good job of advertising it so that people will buy the dvd.
ReplyDeleteIn the DVD, the ending is changed to Chuck and Sarah go to a diner and order onion rings while Morgan tries to parallel park the Nerd Herder outside.
DeleteDR do you have any idea if Fedak/Schwartz would seriously consider doing Chuck comics?
ReplyDeleteI do remember a not too old interview where they were asked about continuing Chuck in another medium (comics was mentioned) and at the time they seemed open to the possibility.
I think they are open to possibility but it depends on how busy they get with other projects.
ReplyDeleteJosh Schwartz has 5 television series in development and who knows what Chris Fedak will end up doing.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteDelorean served a purpose because we found out about Sarah's relationship with her father and that he is a con man.
Regarding Baby a lot of fans have wanted to know why Sarah was estranged from her mother and why her dad raised her.
Baby didn't answer those questions and instead we got Sarah having a handler right before the show started which violated canon and some pointless story about her saving an infant.
Cheryl Ladd was barely even in the episode.
They could have given more time for the finale by nixing the episode and starting the Nicholas Quinn arc sooner.
That's just the way it was.
Brian.
"Delorean served a purpose because we found out about Sarah's relationship with her father and that he is a con man."
DeleteAnd Baby was supposed to tell us why Sarah was estranged with her mother. There. Purpose.
"Regarding Baby a lot of fans have wanted to know why Sarah was estranged from her mother and why her dad raised her.
Baby didn't answer those questions [...]."
Not completely right. They did not tell us why Sarah choose her father over her mother. But we did get to see why Sarah was estranged with her mother, that was the purpose of the episode. And for the last time: YES, it was crap and badly written and violated canon and I didn't like it either. I am not defending this episode, but you just said it yourself: "Regarding Baby a lot of fans have wanted to know why Sarah was estranged from her mother and why her dad raised her." that is the reason they did it, that's why I think it could have been a good episode even without serving the main story line.
To sum up my thoughts: Making a Sarah background story: yes, I did want that, most of us did, BUT they fucked it up.
And killing Decker: they could've come up with other ideas for that, I don't think it was necessary to set up a whole episode in order to kill him in the next.
Baby answered nothing. Stop talking about that crappy episode.
DeleteBaby explained why Sarah was estranged from her mother for the last 5 years . BUt did absolutely NOTHING to explain her earlier years when she was living with her grandmother in Wedding Planner flashbacks and wanted to go have adventures with dad . Which by the way was ALSO written by THE SAME WRITERS !!!!!!!! Did they even watch there own episodes ? lol
DeleteCan someone tell me what "featurettes" are? I see the Chuck Season 5 stated it has 6 All-New Featurettes and was curious what they would entail.
ReplyDeleteIn previous DVD releases, "featurettes" were things like a mini-doc about Zac's directing "Leftovers" and a goofy thing with Morgan spying on the rest of the cast.
DeleteMark Christopher tweeted during the final week that he was interviewed for the DVD's. So, there is probably some of that in there.
"I don't want a comic for the simple reason that the actors brought these characters to life in such a way that you could ignore the lame plotting. A comic would highlight the issues with storytelling and put the spotlight on the plot with no great actors to make it work."
ReplyDeleteAnd honestly, there was lots of lame plotting this season.. yeah, I enjoyed quite a bit BUT it doesn't touch seasons 1-3.
Despite my disappointment with the ending we got, I'll still support the show with my $, but only because I enjoyed most of the season and for my love for the characters and actors. These characters were meant to be loved.
Finally,I REALLY hope the show gets syndicated well in a decent network/channel at a decent hour. More people need to know what they have been missing. I'm a bit worried about this actually; a couple of people have said that it won't gets syndicated. Why not? Chuck is a GOOD show, it deserves a better fate! Sigh, time will tell I guess.
S.
BTW, I just read on twitter that the show is airing in Japan? Cool if true.
ReplyDeleteS.
I didn't know it hadn't been.
DeleteI read that there are no plans from WB to release a full series box set. I wonder how many are putting off buying the individual seasons thinking they will get the box set and don't know about this news. I know I was one waiting.
ReplyDeleteI think people are confused by the term " box set " .
ReplyDelete1) It could mean seasons 1-5 packaged together as in single seasons of the DVD's, because if that's the case some retailers do that by themselves and isn't really officially announced by the studio .
2) If " box set " was meant to imply a special singular release like shaped as a computer that had like the whole series over 25 discs with art work and a small comic or something like that . Than I would say NO to that .
$29 is pretty cheap . That's only like $.34 cents a day until May 8th .
They mean they have no plans to create their own box set. You are talking about a packaged set. I am sure you can get that eventually.... somewhere.
DeleteHey Magnus , I saw some chatter on twitter last night about WGN in Chicago picking up CHUCK into syndication in the fall . Any truth to that or have you heard anything ?
ReplyDeleteHaven't heard anything about that.
DeleteFollowing that chatter to its source, it was a wiki entry that was false.
DeleteI hope Chuck doesn't end up on WGN. Low-rated cable network.
I hope it gets tested by like spike or something so they could air like 10 eps during a holiday and marathon like they do with some others . That's how Discovered CSI back in '04 ( 4years after it started )
DeleteIf Entourage can get picked up into syndication , THERE HAS TO BE HOPE FOR CHUCK !
Deleteor not
Actually, the massive failure of ENTOURAGE in syndication couldn't possibly do anything positive for any low-rated show.
DeleteA commercial for 'The Vow" came on and it was like...5 years of memories lost. I'm all like, they should have just done the Chuck & Sarah movie in it's place instead. Just saying.
ReplyDeleteAt least we know where Fedak got his inspiration from.
"2) If " box set " was meant to imply a special singular release like shaped as a computer that had like the whole series over 25 discs with art work and a small comic or something like that . Than I would say NO to that ."
I really wanted this.
i can watch the 1st 4 seasons. but when i go to season 5 i have a strange feeling. i cant even watch all the episoded. like the bullet train... i liked the episode where sarah sees her mom again. i a found a waste the episode where casey goes to save verbansky...
ReplyDelete"i liked the episode where sarah sees her mom again"
DeleteOne of the worst of the series. You have no excuse for having a problem with season 5.
well for u it was bad. but i liked that we saw the old sarah in flashbacks and also how they gave her the next mission. as i told u before i think that the episode that casey saves verbansky is useless.
DeleteFor anyone with taste it was bad.
Deletefor anyone with your kind of taste was bad...
DeleteYeah, good taste.
Deletebittersweet i would say...
DeleteI don't think bittersweet means what you think it means.
Deletei know what it means. and i used it for a reason.. anyway i dont think that an episode in which the only thing that happens is casey having sex , is better that one we learn about sarah's past -mother- and also having some good chuck-sarah moments -in the house-
DeleteAnything is better than that horrendously awful, poorly executed, crappily written, canon rapefest.
DeleteHow is season 5 shaping up for pre orders ? Is it looking good so far ?
ReplyDeleteSo far, not looking much different from season 4. People always think someone else will do it (spread the word or order) and so they don't themselves.
DeleteWill there be a box set?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't look like it.
DeleteIf i use the links above to pre-order season 5 will it you a kickback? would go through your website either way but wanted to give back to ya anyway i can.
ReplyDeleteBen
I get 4% of the sale, yes.
DeleteAnd thank you. :)
DeleteNo problem will be ordering in the next day or so. Thanks for everything you've done and continue to do. One more question if I can over at geek furious your review of the finale how do I look at all the comments when I hit the load more it says"loading..." but doesn't ever load more
DeleteI don't know why it doesn't work for some people. Try a different browser to see if that helps.
DeleteThanks. Won't load on my computer but will load them on my ipod
DeleteBen
I would love to support the show but not only did the ending screw things up for me, but the rest of the season was overall mediocre. Can't see a good reason to spend money on it. Maybe I'll buy another Buy More mug.
ReplyDeleteI suppose if they had an alternate ending I might consider it. But as things stand, no.
Yeah, we don't care if you don't want to support the show. Just let us know when you do.
DeleteThanks.
UPDATED SALES FIGURES!
ReplyDeleteSo far, CHUCK fans have ordered a massive 23 DVDs and BDs through the Amazon links!
Bring on the movie!!!!!!!!!!1111never1111
Just through your site or everywhere ? :(
DeleteForgot to add
DeleteIs amazon responsible for the majority of DVD sales in the US ? Is there a trend that says if pre orders for a DVD/BD are bad on amazon that it sells better/worse after the official street date ? Just curious :)
well now i get it why fedak end the show this way. to get revenge from the fans. he knew the fans would want a movie etc and did this cause chuck fans never tuned right...
DeleteJust through my site. I can only qualify that.
DeleteBut since a majority of the hits are going here and geekfurious.com, and there have been THOUSANDS of clicks through, I wouldn't be shocked if it is very representative of the overall orders.
Amazon is one of the biggest sellers of DVDs in the US, yes. Plus, they have a dynamic top 10 (and even top 50 and 100 etc) list that can be influential in the buying habits of consumers. So, if you can make that list early, you are more likely to gain interest (much like trending on Twitter).
"well now i get it why fedak end the show this way. to get revenge from the fans. he knew the fans would want a movie etc and did this cause chuck fans never tuned right..."
DeleteNo... that's ridiculous.
"CHUCK fans have ordered a massive 23 DVDs and BDs through the Amazon links!"
Delete24 now. I just purchased one. I wish I could purchase 100, 000. Alas.
having seen the finale i believe that if the show was ending in 4.13 they would have end it exactly the way they ended it -by knowing they got more episodes- i believe the same thing about 3.13 and 4.24. whats your opinion magnus?
ReplyDeletehow many fans u think chuck has worldwide? i mean loyal fans...
ReplyDeleteLoyal as in what? Would buy DVDs and merchandise to get the show a movie?
DeleteAbout 300,000.
If you mean people who would keep watching the show for 20 seasons as long as they didn't need to spend any real money, then probably 6 million, worldwide.
"having seen the finale i believe that if the show was ending in 4.13 they would have end it exactly the way they ended it -by knowing they got more episodes- i believe the same thing about 3.13 and 4.24. whats your opinion magnus?"
ReplyDeleteWhat?
.... are you asking me if they would have ended it in 4.13 or 3.13 or 4.24 the way they ended it in 5.13?
Because if you are asking me if they would have ended it the way they ended it in their respective episodes, then no. If you think they would have ended those episodes the way they ended 5.13 had they known those episodes were their final episode ever THEN HELLLLLLL NOOOOOO!
i mean that they would have ended those specific episodes the way they did now that we had 5 seasons.. i mean they would probably end 4.13 (even if it was the last of the series) in the scene chuck made the proposal. that goes for the other episodes i mentioned. i think they like those kind of endings. fading to black and leaving things in the open.
Deletefor me season 5 was a total waste. we dont really get to see anything new. the villain story they tried to create in the end of S4 is a joke. we dont see any good chuck and sarah moments. i mean sarah could have decided to quit spy life in late S4. also in S5 the writers knew that it would be the last. and they managed to almost destroy the whole series. i liked the endings, in which they didnt know the show was going to be renewed. if only they had stopped in S4 and saved those money for a movie...
Deletei watched the last 3 episodes of season 5 earlier today and i cried, cause they created a great love story between the main characters, which they destroy in these episoded. the possibilities of having a movie or something else dont even exist... for that i hate the writers...
Deletebut in most series the romance between the characters has up and down between the seasons. chuck and sarah had those for 2 and a half seasons. and then nothing. not even a break up not even a jealous moment...we should have expected that they were going to do something like this. but this show was CHUCK. not friends, not gossip girl. pffff sorry if i am becoming annoying and spammer but thats how i feel and i need to say it.
Delete3.13 was slightly tweaked but not much, but not 4.13. Had they known 4.13 was the end, it would have been the wedding episode. In fact, prior to the 11 episode back end pickup, they had broken the season so that 4.10 (if memory serves me) was the proposal and 4.13 was the wedding.
DeleteAs for season 5... while they had mapped out the majority of the season to hit these beats, and I am sure they planned on that specific setting as the ending of the show, there was more planned with the amnesia story line than was used. Why they didn't do it I don't know for sure but I did hear that they were told they might need to extend the season and that may be why, after 5.07, they stalled instead of going right into the Sarah Intersect story line.
How much better for the story do you think it would have been if they would have had Sarah download the intersect in the SHaw episode to defeat him and then had a few with her as it . Then fleshing out the amnesia SL further and leading to a better payoff in the finale ?
DeleteI would have been kind of annoyed by that really . But knowing what we know now , I would have TOTALLY preferred that option . Or at least 1 more episode devoted to Sarah as the intersect/amnesia story line . They paid off the Morgansect SL well who was a secondary character . But when they used the same SL to amplify the stakes with a MAIN character they couldn't do it .
I think the show would have benefited greatly from having it happen in 5.07 and kept Shaw as the villain until the end. It would have meant the writers and characters actually earned that ending, by taking us on a real journey, not just one that starts in episode 5.12 and kind of ends in 5.13.
DeleteBut it didn't happen so... and there is no way to fix it.
so if they have done it earlier sarah would probably have regained her memories in the last episode?
ReplyDeleteI don't know what would have been different, since they didn't do that, but I think they always planned for it to end on the beach with Chuck telling her the story of their life and blahblahblah.
Deleteu say that they didnt renew theshow so many times because of the fans.. i agree with you that they didnt do it for that reason. but then why they renewd so many times and gave the extra episodes?
ReplyDeleteThey renewed it for season 2 because the show had huge buzz and the "save Chuck" campaign had gone viral. Plus, Subway had essentially called up the president of NBC and told him how impressed they were with how the show had integrated their product. So, that's how the show got season 3.
DeleteThe extra 6 episodes for season 3 actually happened because of the delayed start. It gave NBC a chance to see that the shows they were trying out were bombing, so they went with a safe bet. And at this point, NBC was getting CHUCK for cheap, so it was a no brainer.
The season 4 pickup happened purely due to the fact that even though the show had tanked in ratings after the Olympics, it had done well prior to that. Plus, WB lowered the licensing fee again and gave up some rerun and streaming rights, which was profitable for NBC. The pickup of 11 happened around the time CHUCK was doing well (well enough for NBC that is) and remember that the licensing fee was pretty low, so it was still profitable (and NBC was doing pretty crappily with new shows yet again).
Season 5 was almost in the bag once that happened because WB was less than 13 episodes from syndication numbers. Though, they apparently played hardball on that final day of negotiations which is why it was almost cancelled (but most likely a negotiation strategy by NBC to force WB to give them what they wanted).
Did anyone during the negotiation mention the fans? Sure. But ask an executive what the CHUCK fan campaign during season 4 was... and he will look at you blankly and say "Subway?"
well then i hope subway is gonna make a campaign for a movie, cause as i can see people are not gonna buy the dvds... and i dont know why. for me tha fans of this show are loyal and they love it judging from myself.i live in europe and i couldnt see the show on tv (at least the latest seasons) so i became a pirate. but i want to buy the dvds of all the seasons. i dont understand why someone who lives in the USA is not willing to pay for the dvds. i know that about 6.000.000 people ADORE this show and i am sure they almost cant live without it, but they just dont buy the f..ing dvds... lame people.
DeleteSubway isn't going to campaign for a movie.
DeleteAnd I've been saying for years that the hardcore fans of this show are a few hundred strong. You see them online and they do all the work. They do all the tweeting and campaigning and attending charity events and donating money and buying the DVDs... but that's it.
The illusion of the strength of the CHUCK fandom... FIREFLY laughs in our general direction. And Greensplat, or whatever you all call him, was honest enough to call it out... as I have been for years.
Either put up, or shut up. And CHUCK fans do a lot of talking but not putting up.
speaking of numbers how many people have to buy the dvds in order to become profitable for wb and think about making a movie?
DeleteThat's a very good question. I have only heard rumors about the numbers, or how far in the red WB is with CHUCK. I would say they need to sell about... give or take... 5 MILLION.
DeleteAnd by that I mean about 1 million per season.
Deletelike starting right now , or overall in general ? Because if it's 5 MILLION starting right now from this very moment , I have a better chance to be President of the U.S. and I'm from the U.K. lol
Deleteoh ok... so a chuck movie is impossible to happen. i was ok with the show ending in season 5. i would still miss it but i knew the end had to come at some point. and this time we were prepared, but this f..ing ending destroyed everything and made me prey for a movie or something. btw are you speaking for a theatre movie or a tv movie? cause a tv movie got to be cheaper,so it may need less sells...
ReplyDeleteHow much of a profit/loss would WB take if in a few years they made a few more Chuck eps and turned it into a movie by either airing on NBC or straight to iTunes ? Would that be plausible ?
ReplyDeleteTalk to me in a few years when they have made a profit on CHUCK and decided to make a movie.
DeleteSo i guess if/when syndication happens and a few years of dvd sales and merchandise and international totals come in there will be a better understanding ?
DeleteYes. Exactly. This will not happen overnight. It will take years.
DeleteFIREFLY fans did that number for one season.
ReplyDeletei think that people are not willing to pay for the dvds but they would pay about 9 euros to see a chuck movie...
ReplyDeleteToo bad. They have to buy DVDs and other merchandise to get the movie.
Delete1 more question. how did the movie idea come up? i mean when a show ends in US they are willing to make a movie for it if the dvds and merch sells?
DeleteFor some shows, yes. It really goes back to Star Trek. And then FIREFLY got their movie after being cancelled. But both had huge success after the shows were cancelled (and Trek got more interest from the studio once Star Wars became the biggest thing ever).
Deletewell if it wont happen in about 3 years then its not gonna ever happen. think of it.. all of the actors will be older about 5 years or more by then. they also may not want to do the movie...
ReplyDeleteThey will be five years older... so what? And they will all do it because they love those characters and will do anything Zac asks them to do.
DeleteDon't trust me on that. Just know that it is true. Hell, even if it is in 20-years, they would do it.
''...and will do anything Zac asks them to do.''
Deletewhy would they do anything he asks them?
Because he is Zac.
Delete''Because he is Zac.''
Deletei dont really get the rationale of this... and i bet there is a backround story on it, which i 'd like to hear...
It's good to want things. Go buy stuff.
Deleteanyway, maybe you are right. most of them wont do anything better than ''Chuck''. Yvonne is gonna do a few movies and then end up on a med-rate show. Zac is on his zenith so same thing for him. and for the others... oh no comment. people will remember them for the characters on ''chuck''. thats the sad thing about actors like them. they may be good, but they wont get a chance on a better show/movie. and i believe ''Chuck'' was the zenith of all the cast. MAYBE and i say, MAYBE only yvonne and zac will glow further
DeleteYou may have just done the worst analysis/prediction of their careers that I have ever read... and totally misrepresented what I was saying.
DeleteAmazing. Why do I bother?
ok so whats your prediction/analysis?
Deleteif every Chuck fan would just buy one copy of every season that would be a big thing in getting to the goal of a movie.
ReplyDeleteOnline viewing and syndication must hurt shows DVD sales because why buy them when you can watch them for free online.
Sigh... I am getting tired of explaining how things work all the time.... just buy the DVDs and merchandise and let WB worry about syndication stuff.
DeleteI'm going out now... I'm sure when I get back, there will be more silly comments and questions that have been asked 5000 times... and yet no new orders.
ReplyDeleteSigh... I wasn't asking you for an explaination.
ReplyDeleteI was just saying as in a fact that online viewing and syndication hurts DVD sales.
Although if you were talking about everybody but me that's okay.
Some of these Anonymous people are nutty.
Mike.
"I was just saying as in a fact that online viewing and syndication hurts DVD sales."
DeleteNot for people who want to view the show on their own time, without having to wait. Plus, syndication doesn't mean they will show all the seasons, or even all the episodes in a season. So... no. Syndication is not a DVD killer. Online viewing may be but only if all episodes are available.
That's right Mike
ReplyDeleteI want a Chuck movie but would rather just watch episodes online than buy all the DVD's.
I shouldn't be that lazy but that's the way i am.
Brian.
You don't want a movie if you think doing nothing will get it.
DeleteI also use those online television sites to watch Chuck episodes.
ReplyDeleteSkeeter.
Now I am going to have to start checking IP addresses... because I'm not buying this is three different people.
DeleteYep, same IP address...
ReplyDeleteTo me season 5 wasn't really a waste; several very interesting things (to me) happened:
ReplyDelete-Chuck the nerd was back (he was TOO annoying and whiny in S4), he was more heroic (minus Curse..) and finally started training self-defense!
-Gertrude was a cool new character, and I liked her interactions with Casey and Sarah.
-I loved seeing Casey's conflict about having a real relationship with Gertrude or not. He's not getting younger and everybody needs some love. It was also nice seeing him bonding with Alex even more. Good continuity.
-Shaw was back badder than ever!
-Ellie was more integrated in Chuck's spy life. Awesome too by the end. No more secrets. One big happy family.
-The show was convincing in showing why Sarah wanted out of the spy life. Wasn't as convincing in Chuck's case, though. It was still sweet seeing them together.. forever? ;)
DR,
So, if WB was only losing $$$ on Chuck, WHY did they want to make sure it got enough episodes for syndication? You think they still think the show can make some of that $$ back? It's really hard to see why they kept it alive.
S.
I don't think season 5 was a waste as a whole. I just think it was the worst season as a whole with a couple of great episodes.
DeleteAnd WB isn't losing money on CHUCK. They lost a hell of a lot of money. But they think they can make that money back over time plus more. They are playing the long ROI game.
You operate at a loss in the short term to hopefully make money in the long term . I have no idea what the actual numbers are but I'm pretty sure the money they COULD make from syndication dwarfs what ever it cost them to produce this season . If WB didn't think they could make money off of CHUCK in the long term , I'm pretty sure they would have just called it quits with the show at the end of S4 rather than biting the bullet and practically giving it away this year for free as Magnus has said time and time again . Hopefully they see an ROI over the next few years so that the Chuck story can continue with all these lovable characters in some kind of fashion :)
ReplyDeleteYes, they COULD make tons in syndication. But not in the next year or two. Most likely, in the next ten years. Maybe longer. Hence why buying merchandising will expedite the process.
DeleteThe ending always gets me crying. Which is fine.
ReplyDeleteBut now I want a movie I can pop in after and at the end of THAT...feel happy.
So I will buy the dvd's and never give us hope for a movie. At it's lowest you can get one season for $20. That's not expensive.
so... webisodes... what are the chances of happening? how much will it cost for wb?
ReplyDeleteWebisodes are obviously more likely since they are much cheaper to make. I hate webisodes and don't want to encourage them.
Deleteyeah. i know they are cheaper. but do u think they are going to w8 for a movie or they 'd do the webisodes?
DeleteI have no idea what they will do before they are even talking about doing it. All I can say is that I will not watch webisodes under any circumstance.
Deletewhy? i get that the quality will not be as good as the original but it would still be chuck...
DeleteI don't give two fraks about seeing more CHUCK if it sucks.
DeleteA different/extented ending as special content on the DVD/BDs could have boosted the S5 orders a little... just sayin'...
ReplyDeleteJUST BUY IT AND SHUT UP!
DeleteAlready did. Via your site. You're welcome.
DeleteI didn't thank you. Don't pre-welcome me. That's rude! YOU RUDE PRICKLER!
DeleteNow, where was I?
Oh, thank you... for helping to get the show you love a movie, some day...
UPDATE:
ReplyDeleteAs of today (that is not counting any orders that came in yesterday)... we have... NO NEW ORDERS through my Amazon page.
Just placed an order for the 5th season through your link above. Thanks again for posting the links above.
ReplyDeleteBen
Thank you, Ben. It will be nice to see that number tick up tomorrow... or... the next day. I am not sure how Amazon updates these things.
DeleteNo problem...and thanks again for everthing you have done and also being honest with the uphill battle it will be for Chuck in the future, as many people seem to believe more Chuck will happen right away and without doing much. I think your articles on both sites and comments lay it out clearly what will need to occur before more Chuck will be a thought.
DeleteBen
People hate the truth. It's so... truthful.
DeleteFedak and Josh said it... the movie is gonna happen if a fool?-emotional milionaire fan is willing to sponsor it...
ReplyDeleteYou don't need a millionaire fan. You need a million fans.
DeleteHell, even a millionaire fan won't get WB to make a movie. Because that fan needs to have about $50 million to invest. Who would be insane enough to put that much money into it? No one. Especially when you'd likely lose half that.
Just buy... wait five years... get movie.
how much did the last 2 episodes cost? (12-13)
DeleteI have no idea. The show used to cost around $4 million per episode until season 3 when some reports say it was cut down to about $2 million. They apparently tried to cut it by about a million over the final two seasons. But there is no way WB will ever release the actual numbers.
DeleteThey were probably getting half that cost subsidized by the licensing fee with NBC until the final season when NBC got it for virtually nothing but gave up replay rights.
ok. forget about a movie in theatres. why dont they make a tv movie (like 2 episodes of the show) after 1-2 years. that wouldnt cost more than 5.of course that would happoen after they make some bucks but they wouldnt need as many as they would need for a theatre movie.
DeleteHow do you get $5 million? It would cost like $10 million. There is a whole overhead to starting up a production.
DeleteThat won't happen. This wasn't a hit show. It makes more sense to do a movie in 5 years once the show goes into the black. Or even crappy webisodes for $100k with all greenscreen crap.
u said that you were not ok with casey, ellie and the others being so cold about sarah when she lost her memories. chuck was not so different. he tried to make her remember etc but when he was sure she couldnt remember he was like ''oh ok. go do whatever you want. its ok if i dont see u ever again'' if your wife had amnesia would you let her go away?
ReplyDeleteYeah, they were all kind of ridiculous about it. You don't have to sell me on the finale feeling off.
Delete...and then comes Fedak preaching that after the kiss she remembered and they lived happily ever after. are you kidding me Fedak? i unterstand completely those who say that they couldnt say a proper goodbye to the sarah walker character. its like you meet a new character on the finale. and i completely disagree with those who say that Sarah return to who she was 5 years ago. 5 years ago she was spy but we could she her being emotional and what she was feeling about chuck. on the finale she was like ''ok i believe i was your wife but i dont care. lets kill this loser who wants the intersect and then i will be gone. i dont care about your stories chuck''
Delete"its like you meet a new character on the finale. and i completely disagree with those who say that Sarah return to who she was 5 years ago"
DeleteMmmmhmmm... bingo. She didn't return to who she was. She became someone else. Because at the end, Sarah is someone who has been cheated. Her memories are gone but she knows she has lived a whole life. It's hollow. And I don't buy the happy ending. Though, it sure looks pretty. It just wasn't earned.
But if you believe she got her memories back, she isn't someone else and it is a happy ending.
DeleteI guess people just wanted to see that on screen and not imagine it.
I don't care about what happens post-episode. I care about what happened leading up to and including the moment they showed. It wasn't earned. Simple.
Delete"Yeah, they were all kind of ridiculous about it. You don't have to sell me on the finale feeling off."
ReplyDeleteSame here. I liked dark Chuck most other times, but this finale was so weird. It didn't feel organic, no matter what the apologists say.. The only other finalle I didn't love was Cliffhanger, but that was still better than Goodbye.
I would also prefer a TV movie, could be good and I'd love to see real Sarah back, BUT I'm not holding my breath for more Chuck happening down the road. :( That's why I'm upset about this so depressing ending we got. They had their chance and they blew it.
S.
well iZac is so crazy about this so that he is going to do something. i sure about it.
DeleteZac may be crazy about it, but it doesn't mean it will happen. I do wish him all the luck in making it happen. If anyone can, he can.
Deletefedak also said that they had in mind that ending for the end of S4. i dont get it at all why they liked it so much. it would be cool to have it earlier on the season. I would even like more chuck having the amnesia, because in the end they would have to make he remember anything, cause he is the main character.
ReplyDeleteThere is no way Fedak said they had the season 5 finale ending in mind of season 4. No way. You had to have read that wrong. I know for a fact that isn't true.
Deletehe said it on an interview... with josh. i saw it!!! he said that they had in mind that kind of ending from the end of season 4
Deletemy mistake. what i meant was that they had in mind the series finale FROM the ending of season 4.
DeleteSigh... and now I know you don't listen to my podcasts, since I said that after 5.11.
Deletewell, to be honest i didnt have always time to listen to them. but i like your podcasts and i am definitely gonna hear any single one of those you are going to make.the ending was a bit strange and makes you wanna talk more about the show. so i will stick on the site...
DeleteWe are doing one tomorrow that I think fans of the show will like a lot.
Deletewith what topic?
DeleteYou'll see.
Deleteu said that those who orders dvds from the usa and live in europe might have problems. why?
ReplyDelete"We are doing one tomorrow that I think fans of the show will like a lot."
ReplyDeletesweet!
S.
i would like to open another topic though. why do u think that from the 9 million that staarted watching the show on season 1, only 4 stayed till the end. i dont think its just the budget...
ReplyDeleteSome stopped liking the show. Some found a show they liked more and either felt they had to give up one show over another, or they just weren't that into CHUCK but watched until they stopped caring. That happens to me often. I watch a show for a while because nothing else is on. Then when something I like better comes along, I just stop watching the other.
DeleteAnd I think a lot of people probably felt, especially after Chuck and Sarah got together, that the show was over. Every few weeks, some friend tells me how they hate when they put the couple together because it ruins the show. I guess people really bought into that idea... whether it is true or not.
I just listened to an IGN podcast where their two TV critics talked about the finale and one of the critics said his interest started waning in Season 4 and he pretty much explained that it was because of how Chuck and Sarah were portrayed after they got together. But, it didn't sound like he stopped watching completely. It was more like he didn't watch as often or as intently.
DeleteThat's what happens when I become more of a casual viewer of a show. I start missing episodes. Oddly, I started missing episodes in the first half of Chuck's season 2 and had to go back to them later when I became addicted to the show.
is this new podcast going to be a long one ? WAY looking forward to it :)
ReplyDeleteIt should be at least an hour long.
DeleteWell, I didn't mind Chuck and Sarah as a couple but they did get boring at times.
ReplyDeleteI liked them as a couple in episodes like Wedding planner, Honeymooners and Seduction impossible but otherwise not so much.
My ideal ending for the finale would have been for Chuck and Sarah to get a divorce.
oh my god? a divorce?now you made me like the Fedak ending...
DeleteA divorce, followed by a Sarah/Shaw wedding and a baby.
ReplyDelete"And I think a lot of people probably felt, especially after Chuck and Sarah got together, that the show was over. Every few weeks, some friend tells me how they hate when they put the couple together because it ruins the show. I guess people really bought into that idea... whether it is true or not"
ReplyDeleteI know some Chuck fans think the 'moonlighting' curse, or whatever is called, is not true, BUT I think it is, especially in shows like this. People just aren't interested in the after they get together. Sad but true. Also, the way Chuck and Sarah were portrayed as a couple in season 4 was very bland, IMO. That season was too safe and predictable.
S.
i dont care what others think. i liked that they were together. i got some things form the show that i wanted. i liked everysingle moment of their relationship scenes... i think it would be awesome though to make some jealous stories in the beginning of season 4... like make kristin kreuk return... or jill.
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