Nice, though I wish they gave us a longer freaking preview!! Oh well this is NBC, we can't expect anything better, with the total lack of promotion this season.
I am not totally loving that wig on Sarah (mostly because it's not a great wig and looks kinda fake), but it's ok, cause she can pull pretty much any look off and still look smokin'. I can't believe we still have to wait ANOTHER whole week!!
@Peter: I know (hope) Chuck isn't actually a prisoner, I meant that Chuck enters a prison-fight against Yuri. And apparently with dumbbells....oh, the epicness...
And if this promo is for 4x11 and 4x12, does it mean that Volkoff is also in France? The writers seem to particularly like France (mainly Paris). I see the appeal, but there are some other very nice countries, hehe.
Even though the wigs seem to be improving (the one on "the Truth" was just horrendous; the one on "the Suitcase" looked like stripper-barbie hair, but was a bit "less worse") they are far, far from a decent result. Why take someone so beautiful, a hot as hell leather outfit and finish it with a cheap mannequin wig? Beats me.
Good wigs can be so much fun (even Tuttle loved Alias!), only if they had gotten it right....
So I think sarah is the former member of the Team B. And I watched all of the promos. An I think there is a wall between Chuck and Sarah when she say, she will not came back without Mama B. We saw Chuck is running, and Beckman stand before him and the doors are closing. So I think Chuck don't know about Sarah's plan. So may be this is the big Chuck and Sarah momment, top 5 as Dear DR say it. The goodby. :( :). Poor Chuck, He seems so sad. and 4.12 Sarah big episode, Shippers won't like it, except Sarah attack Chuck, wich seems to me, that will happen after she came back. And of course EVIL Sarah as Chris Fedak mentioned to Kristindosantos. So Sarah problay try to kil Chuck at some point somewhere in the epsisode 12. But lets just wait, may be after the 4.13 Synopsis , may be we will knwo how ende up the 4.12. Poor Chuck :) . I hope he will rise up ;)
BTW. Can I call you Magnus, or you would be like more the Dear Dr. ? :)
Well for speculation sake I wonder if sarah is taking over mama b's role? Volkoff maybe into Brunettes and so if he knows that sarah will go for assets like she did chuck maybe he could be persuaded to let his guard down if sarah tries and seduces him....hmmmm...this is based on prez and magnus conversation in the leftovers podcast...is volkoff the other man sarah leaves chuck for in order to bring back his mom, maybe sarah sympathizes with her and wants to help, I know a lot of speculation, chucks fight looks good....will chuck allow volkoff near his girl? I doubt it!
Looks promising. And I figured that scene would have to do with the hot moment between Chuck and Sarah (thanks for confirming it, Magnus). The only issue is that the trashiness of the wig detracts from the hotness of the situation.
It still looks pretty hot, but I can't stop thinking: fake plastic hair, fake plastic hair, fake plastic hair. It is like a unwanted mantra in my brain everytime I see brunette Sarah on this promo. How am I going to survive fake plastic hair for several minutes during the episodes? Am I going to be able to concentrate on anything else? Am I the only one still obsessed by this hair debacle?
Just a guess: is the hotness right after they get all emotional and Sarah says "I'm not coming back without your mom?" Because that is just INTENSE LOVE RIGHT THERE...
I do not know if you have answered this question but is the writer of this episode Fedak or Craig Digrigorio? I think those are the only 2 set of writers who have not written 2 episodes this season.....
One line from the Chuck part of the combined promo has me very excited: "One is discovering his potential." And didn't you say in one of these threads that Chuck was just going to discover what he could already do (this is from memory & I can't find the post). Everyone needs a hero once in a while, and I may just get my wish that Chuck, the Hero returns!
Chuck 4.13 Short Synopsis " While Sarah tries to free Chuck’s mother, Morgan and Chuck go after Volkoff; Casey and Alex bond; Ellie hopes to ease Awesome’s anxiety over becoming a father. " Well, I'm not become smarter. :) MY theory was 4.11 ending with Sarah leaves. and 4.12 is endig a diferent way But of course it could be Sarah and Marry both captured in some way. But Morgan and Chuck seems promising. I just hope Chuck worthy to Sarah I mean Sarah phase three episode, was very strong, so I hope Chuck get something like that. And some reason I realy hope Chuck will Save Sarah life, in some way, becasue Sarah already did it with Chuck. :)
I Just watched the 4 11 sneak peek. You're spoiler about John Casey as man servant has just been proven, hahaha and chuck speaking in a British accent is awesome can't wait for the episode.
I just was reading the NBC.com homepage and found this synopsis for 4.11: On assignment at a French vineyard, Chuck juggles tracking down a nano-chip with trying to create the perfect romantic moment to propose to Sarah. Since you said the engagements been delayed, I think the crazy shippers wil be freaking. Makes me wonder though what exactly happens to Chuck's plan?
tmi guys... TMI! I am going to take a 1 week hiatus from reading anything about Chuck.
funny, I spent about the last month and a half wanting a little more information so I could try and piece everything together, and now that I am getting it, I feel like I am getting spoiled.
"He spends a lot of time trying to create the perfect moment... over... and over... and over... and over... and over..." Hence your comment to Prez in podcast 52 about Sepinwall's comment that the proposal will keep getting interrupted. "you have no idea.."
SO Sarah is the former member that tries to kill a current member (casey) ... Sarah leaves Chuck for another man (volkoff) Twisted teaser DR Magnus ... Very twisted.
The thing I like the most (and find most frustrating) about your blog site is that everything really is interrelated. You've got bits & pieces everywhere and if you go looking or pay attention, you'll find them.
Damn, I wish I was at good at finding things on your site as I just made myself sound.
Magnus, I have a request - in the future, when Chuck is done, the final season/show broadcast has aired and we've all had our fill of the eulogies & postmortems - would you lead us on a treasure hunt? I would love to see where and how you hid this stuff.
This episodes is going to be great! Not only there is "John Casey, man servant", there is "Cobra/The Magnet, as a handler-esque proposal-helper", more Timothy Dalton and Linda Hamilton, british Chuck...and some classic relationship-related agony over the proposal...
You put other websites to shame!
ps.: When Chuck ends I will have to deal not only with the loss of the show, but also of your blog. I will probably have to go to some kind of intenet rehab to deal with the withdrawal symptoms.
Dear DR if chuck keeps trying to propose and failing how do the slow it down? I mean you say that since they got the back order they decelerated it, but how? By looking at all fan forums and critics reaction....everyone is now expecting the proposal to come....if they are saving it to the end of the season can we expect another potential chuckpocolypse? Where fans become so crazy over the wait that they cannot function and have to hit the message boards and tweet the show runners! I suppose one way they could do it would be to have the mama b storyline and then sarah's background that makes chuck question who she is then casey needs help with his past so and so forth, roadblocks!
I personally do not get what they rush is to have them engaged or married anytime soon? I mean they have only been dating a year! I know there was 3 years of pineing and 1000's of fake dates and fake cuddling and fake kisses and fake relationship, etc. But still man why push a great thing?
"And what kind of spoiler, Anonymous, if that even is your name, would you like to hear?"
It is my name.
To be different, I'd like a General Beckman or Alex spoiler please. It would cement my opinion of you as the greatest being in the entire Chuckverse :)
Speaking of the "fulcrum girl", is it sad that I am still bitter about Jill/Chuck sexi-meow-meow scenes? Don't get me wrong, Colonel is the hottest thing on earth but it was 2 seasons ago... and dreams don't count.
Talking about chuck being a bubble show, Sepinwall and Fienberg mentioned that ratings aside with NBC doing the comcast deal there is legally no president at the TCA press tour so we will not get any answers yet on what chuck has to do in order to get a renewal. One would like to think that a solid 2.0 would do the job and baring in mind that other shows are struggling (even the new ones look short on wow factor) I am a little hopeful! but that does not stop me everytime I go to my local subway in stuffing the comment box with I only buy subway because you sponsor chuck.....
I know that was hotter then anything chuck and sarah have ever done, I mean they went to town! tongues were used multiple times and there was definately some serious chemistry going! I do not think chuck and sarah ever use tongue (apart from salami) so yeah hot scene indeed!
Well you have never been seen and in a way the way you taunt certain sections of the fandom it would make sense for you to be fedak, lol....I mean he must get some catharsis from reading how all these nutbags making his job that much harder are getting their comeupons through you,lol. Oh and JJ I agree with Magnus...creepy, but I will say that I am sure chuck and sarah have done the tongues but it is cut, you can see it in the editing they do around every kiss, I mean heck even colonel was edited out and salami for that matter of fact too, this is an 8 pm show you know, they can show people getting shot and killed but no tongues....how honourable of them....
Ok gonna give an attempt at putting some spoilers together. Sarah leaves Chuck to join Volkoff and work with Mary to try and take him down. She knows that Mary is the only one keeping them safe and doesn't like that person being anyone but herself. So she decides she must do it. Sarah contacts Mary in some clandestine fashion a la Stephen and the classifieds and tells her the plan. Mary is telling Volkoff that she can get Sarah to join them and leave Team B so that Volkoff can use that against Chuck to get him to stop coming after his mom and following in his fathers work. Sarah attacks Chuck with passion on what might be their last time together and then has to play "bi***" to Chuck because Volkoff is watching now.
In order to prove herself to Volkoff Sarah is ordered to kill a current member of Team B. That member is Casey. Casey has to go underground so that Volkoff thinks he is dead. There he gets to connect with Alex from the official synopsis. Sarah though has planned this with Team B and she knows that she is the only one that can pull off the most dangerous part of this plan. But she knows that she will need help. She ends up getting it too deep and it is the new and improved Chuck that gets himself to where the "regular guy hero" will save both his mom and his future fiance.
Ok I'm done. Probably completely wrong but it was fun to think of. Can't wait for the next 18 days!
Well That is better than I thought so I'll take it! And that is why we call it speculation any way. I knew I was going a bit far afield on some things but that was part of the fun.
In a feisty mood today Magnus! Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? lol! Why all the casey hate? one day when all this is finished and chuck is gone you can tell us what AB did on or off set that gets you kinda casey hating the last few weeks.....
That's too bad. Although she would probably make the whole team obsolete. She's be cuter than Sarah, grunt more than Casey, shorter and more reckless than Morgan, and probably more badass than Chuck.
Actually talking about casey being sidelined, how about big mike? I mean I know that subway saved our show and they are awesome beyond awesome but Big Mike used to be funny and in charge and lazy, now he just sucks up to morgan and is basically a walking advertisement for subway. Come on guys bring big mike back!
I don't know why, but I was pulling for her to be a villain. She does seem to have been protecting Chuck and Ellie, but that doesn't *have* to mean she's a good guy. Look at Sydney's mom from Alias. I guess it's better this way, though. We can't keep having the people Chuck cares about either dying or turning out to be evil.
So basically that she is good but not great at showing it....because she is not a typical bartowski in that she is a killer! a huge killer! A bit like chuck and sarah, papa b was the scientist....chuck is a computer engineer....sarah is the spy....mama b is the spy....mary may have duped stephen into loving her, sarah duped chuck into loving her (but to be honest it was not that hard!)...oh where to the parallels end, does papa b and mama b show us that no matter how good and special a man chuck is sarah can leave him at a drop of the hat, will she be doing that in 4.12 or end of 4.11 will she be leaving chuck? that is the question, what does the future hold for our star crossed lovers.......it could all end in heartbreak!
I love that chuck is progressed and is more competent, but there is a part of me that just occassionally he would look and act around sarah like he did back in season 1 and 2. I mean... I do not mean to get personal but I assume (not knowing, I am not a stalker) but I assume Zach Levi has dated some gorgeous women in his time, yet he totally sells moments like after their first kiss he was so tongue tied and nervous and happy and for a second I smiled because he seemed so genuinely happy that sarah had showed an interest in him, I mean he sold that sarah was everything to him, great acting, phenominal acting. My question is will we ever get moments like that again from chuck? he is so adorable in those moments, as I said because it is "fake" i.e. "acting" it makes it all the more wonderful to watch!
I know he is excited! when he saw her in fear of death he still sees her with a wind machine and in an angel light, but back in season 2 when he asked her out on a date you could see him swallow he was that nervous and the smile on his face when she said yes and even the date was fantastic and back then when he day dreamed of sarah he saw her do handstands and he had the biggest goofiest smile I have ever seen chuck have it was magical and he was on cloud 9 the whole time!
I am not dissatisfied in the slightest, I just remember you guys saying that this season they will be going back the to the "well" and using some elements of season 2. From what I remember of season 2... I would not mind if they used how chuck used to react around sarah and I gave my reasons above, that is all, not dissatisfaction, just pure nostalgia.
Dear Dr., may I imagine a different scenario? What if Mary is captured by the CIA (no matter if she's good or bad, she evaded by a CIA facility) and Sarah goes rogue ("evil Sarah") to rescue her, as she is now convinced that she is definitely one of the good guys? Of course she has to step out of CIA's Team Bartowski ("a former member"), and she might also need to "kill" (or at least, to point her gun at) some of the other members: Casey, maybe? And I don't think that Chuck will be too happy with that...
@Henry: I like this scenario (even though I think it is unlikely to happen). Rogue Sarah is awesome!
ps.: I just hate it when some websites try to blatantly manipulate Chuck fans for their benefit using Chuck characters as bait. There is one in particular that gets some very vague spoilers and then lists a thousand characters from a thousand different shows so that the readers have to guess which one of them is the one mentioned in the spoiler. It is so obviously never a Chuck character. Do they think we are idiots that will keep visiting their website until they reveal who they were talking about? Sorry about the rant, but it just ticks me off.
BTW, if Casey were the current member of team B that the former member of team B tries to kill, it would explain the rumoured absence of AB and the emotional scene between Casey and Alex. Intriguing.
Satisfaction is subjective but I agree Magnus that some go out of their way to find things to gripe about. Every season there are things that don't work and last season there were huge ones that will be discussed for as long as people remember and talk about this show. But for me at least this season they have been minimal. I am a confirmed shipper and the reason I watch this show first and foremost is Sarah Walker and the incredible talents of Yvonne. As much as last season the writers regressed her character to many times a very unappealing level her growth this season is a joy to watch again. Probably even more than seasons 1 and 2. Will they do things that piss me off again, certainly, but overall this season has been such a fun ride and we are not even half way yet.
This season the fun and joy of being a fan is back for me at least hopefully others will find it more as well.
If you want to see the wide eyed Chuck of season 1... go watch season 1. If you want to see the growing more confident Chuck who has fallen hard for Sarah... go watch season 2.
Chuck is not going to be nervous around Sarah unless he is doing something with her for the first time (like a proposal or something of the kind). He is not going to see her like he used to in seasons 1 or 2 because he is WITH her. He will now see her in a different way. This isn't his potential girlfriend, this is now the woman he plans on marrying. So, to go back to emotions or actions that you saw in the first two seasons would be disingenuous writing.
You will certainly get lots of Chuck and Sarah moments this season and some you will love and others you may think weren't as good as some other moment in some other season.
And that is fine. Every episode doesn't have to BETTER a previous episode. They all live on their own within this world. And these are still the characters we loved in previous season, with some emotional growth. So, look forward, not backward.
Unless, like I said earlier, it is to actually look backward. In which case, pop in the DVD. ;)
It is always going to be difficult to "sell" that he is still infatuated with sarah like he was in seasons 1 and 2 especially since his looks and features have surpassed hers....she is now the lucky one...I mean come on! he seduced Hannah!
Yeah because your a guy.....of course you would, but come on man he seduced your beloved Hannah...and to you Hannah is far prettier then sarah, well I am guessing that by the way you put her on a pedistal.....But just look at his glowing olive skin and beautiful smile and he is seriously smoking this season...as I said sarah is now the geek, lol......Also a side note I was actually dumb enough to watch the first few seasons of smallville and never did she have the chemistry with Mr Welling that she had with Mr Levi! Our boy has skills and looks and charm and charisma and a sense of humour and......
Well said Magnus. Just one more thing. Chuck is still shocked time to time about how much sexy Sarah is. Suitcase and Coup d'Etat and probaly now in the Gobbler. But I think there is diferent if you pining for a girl or if you actualy dating with the Girl. But He still think He is the most lucky guy in the world. And there is where at some point he's insecurity came from. I think there is a voice in his head who still can't belive he is enough. Remember, when He told Ellie that he thinks when he was child that Mamay leaves becasue of him. And just because you say " I did this to protect you " It's not make it any better a think. And Now Sarah problay choice the same what Mama B made. So I assuming He is going to be hurt a little, but probaly not to much, I mean I don't think He is going to wait 20 year to rescue them. We will see, I'm looking forward some Mama B and Sarah talk or interaction. BTW. Magnus do you know how long will be around Marry, and Volkoff, or it's to big spoiler to tell right now? What happened with Agent Sam Lisa ? :) and I need to say actualy I suprised that you not use some spoiler like " Chuck cheating on Sarah with a brunette " or something like that XD
and one last thing . There is reason why you use capital letter for some word. ? I noticed that , may be its soem how hiden spoiler if you put it right the words ? :)
Hannah is a brunette so... I will of course choose her over Sarah. I am not that into blonds. Plus, Sarah is too much like me. I wouldn't want to date myself.
HOWEVER, for Chuck, Sarah is THE girl. So, it isn't about who is better looking. It is about love. Even then, Sarah is sooooo much hotter than Chuck is handsome.
What! you being a guy and me being a girl we will always disagree...which is fair enough, as two hetrosexual people it would be wierd otherwise....but talking about chuck and girls...I wonder if Mr Levi has a special love perfume, because every girl, I mean every girl to walk through the chuckverse, I mean DAMN! You go boy!
Think you'll get a kick out of this - on another site's forum, the moderator says that according to her 'intel', Baby Awesome was originally due in episode 4.13 but when they got the back order it was moved to 4.14. Hmmm - Push Mix or Seduction Impossible. Which sounds more plausible?
Talking about Zach's attractiveness, what happened to your previous co-podcaster Jess. I mean she was so pro chuck and anti sarah and used to come up with the line "he's so attractive" and I want a wet chuck moment, etc, etc. She was great in your podcast very honest and critical when need be, can she come back?
First of all, Jess was never anti-Sarah. Not even close. If anything, Sarah is kind of her favorite character. The only thing she ever had problems with, Sarah wise, was what they were doing to her hair and makeup. The same problem I had and have.
Second, unfortunately, she is on the west coast and her work schedule totally conflicts with when we east/middle coasters do the podcast. So, probably not any time soon.
If Mama B were on the bad side....what would chuck do to her then if she tried anything with his beloved Sarah? I mean Sarah is going to try and help her and if she is dark, she may try and hurt Sarah! I mean she already shot at her in AOT, that would be awesome, Mama B being bad, what would our hero do then? Like Batman he will not kill her and Volkoff, but he won't save them from the CIA!
FYI, to those who care, the podcast will be recorded on Tuesday, not Monday, so it will not be out until Tuesday night or even Wednesday morning (depends on how much I have to edit).
Good news is... I will be opening up for a Q&A on Monday night, following the episode, so you all can ask questions pertaining to 4.11 and beyond and I will answer those questions.
The Q&A opportunity IS good news. It's always hard to ask a question when you don't know it will be answered in the episode.
The ratings may be out too, if you choose to discuss them in the podcast. Though, because of the holiday, final Nielsens won't be available until Wednesday morning. I don't know about the "fast affiliate" ratings TVBTN uses.
I am thinking about doing them on Tuesday from now on just so we can have time to collect our thoughts. I have enjoyed doing it immediately after the episode, since it set us apart from the other podcasts, but in doing so we don't give fans the opportunity to ask pertinent questions, nor can we discuss the ratings.
We shall see. I am always looking for ways to make doing the podcast more fun for us... especially since I have wanted to stop doing the darn thing for about a year.
I just saw a tweet repeating what I said and not getting it right. So, if you can bare with me, I'll repeat it.
I said FINAL ratings. There are several different ratings that come out before that:
"Major market overnights": These are household level ratings that come from meters that are in the largest markets. The Programming Insider at Mediaweek uses these. I do not know if they will be delayed.
"Fast affiliate ratings": These are time period ratings that come in based on ratings all the NBC affiliates got. They can be off from the final ratings if an affiliate ran something else in the time period or if the show was run in a different time period by the station. I do not know if these will be delayed.
"Overnights": TVBTN refers these as "final". They are program-based rather than time period based. These will be delayed until Wednesday morning.
Usually, the final ratings are only slightly different than the "fast affiliate" ratings and often don't change at all.
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Magnus, I need a sanity check. Is it just me or do you also see Chuck popping the big question as anti climatic or a mute point? Sarah has done everything but carve on Chuck's body "Yes I'll marry you!". Chuck needs to pop the question and move on. Waiting for the "right romantic moment" just won't happen. After all the first time Chuck really found out Sarah loved him he was drunk and on the floor.
I mean, if you know your characters are going to get engaged, then one way to make it a surprise is by having the proposal fail... a lot. As long as you also make it fun, then it won't seem like an albatross around the show's neck.
But of course some people will complain because they are impatient.
I will post the blog on Monday after the episode. You will have until Tuesday around 6pm ET to post a question that I will then answer on the podcast when we record it.
So the question now Mr Bartowski is are you ready to take a leap of faith? (proposal) or will you die alone a man filled with regret! do we need to implant the idea via inception for you to propose as soon as possible or will you wait for the perfect moment that will never come because you live in an imperfect world (spy world) that is filled with imperfect people who will make you wait for what you want most? The challenge has been set, you are in love just go for it my brother, now is your time, if you want to grow old with agent walker now is the time to take the plunge! Have no fear as nirvana awaits you on the other side, nirvana is a blonde giant shemale who will go to hell and back for you against all odds and reason just to spend a moment, an instant, a life time with you! You just do not get it do you my friend, you have never been so lucky....How is that Magnus for Hyperbole? lol.....Good luck Special Agent Bartowski.....if only you know how special that moment will be when she says yes, then and only then will you have the best 5/10/15/20.... year plan that you never thought would have existed 4 years ago when a girl walked upto your nerd herd desk and asked you to take a leap of faith....
We did know from the pilot that they would wind up together and I have no problem waiting a little while longer if necessary - but as we all know, it's all in the execution. That said, I'd like a bit of a call back for the official proposal. So, instead of "fancy, eloquent" and overboard romantic version of the proposal - we might get "blunt, honest" and heartfelt proposal. But if it doesn't happen that way, well I'll still relax and enjoy the show I love.
Rumors are that more eye candy is in store for Chuck. Since Magnus is the only real trusted Chuck source I'll wait for him to announce who the ladies are.
Just listened to the last Firewall and Iceberg podcast and fedak knows Tony Ja! I mean I posted a couple of months ago a youtube scene of the protector hotel fight scene (staring Ja) and said Levi could do those moves that Ja does and fedak obviously knows about Ja and his movies, so why not get him in to train zach or send zach to the monastery that Ja resides as a monk and learn the moves!
I love how in the Firewall and Iceberg podcast fedak says that with the intersect they are trying to show how this makes chuck special.....I think Chris, the day chuck began dating sarah....the most beautiful girl in the world (hyperbole, but she is hot) we as fans knew then and there what makes him special, lol!!!!!!
Oh sepinwall is such a romantic he asked schwartz why can't chuck and sarah just be happy, which schwartz replied if he wanted no conflict and alan said yes! shippers you hav you new leader!
As I have been saying... 4.13 is pretty huge all around. I don't know how they edited the final 10 minutes so I can't give you an accurate answer. But it all sounds pretty epic.
Magnus now that you have confirmed it is going to be epic my anticipation has gone up! I mean when Fedak and Schwartz say it...well I do not trust their judgement of what is good on the show especially after the chuckmalfunction of 2010!
Joe, I would never say it is the best 10 minutes ever... since I haven't seen it. However, I did say that the episode was like Colonel meets Lethal Weapon (and maybe Tic Tac). So, it is huge and epic and Chuck is badass in it.
So sexy romance (colonel), Romance and heart (Lethal Weapon) and chuck being awesome (Tic Tac). If they can mix those elements then indeed it will be epic. Furthermore if they can recreate that special moment from colonel (the epic motel scene) then it will go down as the best episode this show has ever done!
WOA. well this is gonna be long 3 weeks, I mean I already want to jump in 4.13. btw I looking forward what will Chuck become.
Ohh and Lauren Cohan I liked Her in Supernatural, too bad they kill her because the female fanbase was jealous LOL. oh and Katie Cassidy , she was so good as Ruby , wondering if, they have a chance to keep around Katie as Ruby for season 4 then they turn her in the Dark side or keep her as a Good Bad Girl?! Still think Season 3 was the best for Supernatural, oh sorry I digress XD Katie Cassidy would be good as a GRETA or not?
Oh when you said like colonel, I like every fan remember the motel scene....am I a pervert or was that just a great standout scene, anyhoo colonel did have a lot of action and fight scenes and explosives and awesome stuff going on and so I am looking forward to that, sucks no motel type scene, but cool!
So Magnus, with chuck being awesome in 4.13, I guess we will be hearing a lot of chuck's hero music playing while he is awesome and badass and kickass! There is nothing better then special agent carmichael doing what he does in the name of love, it has the visceral effect that is pure emotion and heart and I look forward to seeing where this ends, it sounds epic! As much as this season has been about sarah and how kick ass she is, I do always enjoy chuck when he super competent!
I love how the fandom is assuming that there is a PROPOSAL at the end of 4.13 with Schwartz' comment about it being the best 10 minutes of CHUCK . You would think that people would realize that there is more to CHUCK than just the Chuck and Sarah relationship .In 4.13 Baby awesome arrives , Volkoff and Mama B storyline comes to a head , the " tron poster moment ", Chuck using his " badassness . Is the proposal really a necessity to have in 4.13 with all that other stuff going on and the extra 11 episodes ? No. Though I think I am in the minority on that one .
DR , I feel sorry for your comment section after 4.13 airs if there is not a proposal . Though the traffic will be nice , I don't know if it will make up for some of the remarks that are sure to ensue . :)
You know J the cold truth is when Fedak said to Sepinwall (regarding the need for conflict) that this show cannot be about chuck and sarah sitting in a garden where everything is perfect and they are just happy....because that would make a boring show...he said that they love each other but they are two different people who have to learn to comprimise and conflict will arise....I think even though it would be a boring show (the garden scenario) I think a lot of fans would tune in to watch a show like that and be happy, they would get chuck and sarah smiling at each other with those adorable smiles, adorable holding hands, adorable hugs and cuddles, adorable kissing and probably all the conversations that some fans have always wanted to hear....the cold sad truth is fans, a lot of them want that type of show, I do not know why and so when they do not get it they come to sites like magnus to complain and moan and groan it will continue until the show is gone and probably years after......that day when colonel aired, that moment in the barstow motel did something to certain fans....I am not a psychologist and do not know what but it has not been all good for the showrunners....
Oh I'm sure 4.13 will be incredible . It's just with A LOT of people now expecting the proposal to go down in that episode that if it doesn't happen , a certain element of the fandom will you know ....
If there isn't a proposal in 4.13 , Schwartz will have fell victim to one of the CLASSIC blunders . The most famous is never get involved in a land war in ASIA . But only slightly less well know is this .. NEVER mess with Chuck and Sarah shippers when a PROPOSAL is on the line ... lol
James, I don't think Colonel did it. It was Santa that finally pushed people over the edge of being able to rationally watch the show and enjoy the will-they-won't-they. Colonel just put a new layer on the cake.
I have no idea why your comment was directed at me . My comment to DR was not as an anti shipper ( DR can probably vouch for that since my generosity led to the " Sarah attacks Chuck with popcorn...um.. I mean PASSION " teaser spoiler ) .
Who doesn't want Chuck and Sarah to get engaged ? We all know it's coming the only matter is when . I was just stating that just because Schwartz said that the last 10 minutes of 4.13 will be the best the show has done so far , doesn't mean that the proposal will be in THAT episode . If it is Great ! If not , it won't bother me at all. But I can't speak for others on that matter *cough* certain Chuck forums/blogs/fan sites *cough*
I am suprised by the revealation that episodes 4.11 to 4.13 have largely been left alone and they are going flat out on 3 episodes of awesomeness! it really does make me wonder what they are going to do in the back half, Schwedak say that it is going to be fun, fun, fun....4.14 like honeymooners.....and then the cat squad, I personally think that this season has been really light and fun...and loved it...the fact that they are going for more fun is awesome! this season is like the season most fans have pined for and got, how can anyone complain?
James, they may not have changed the Volkoff and Mama B arc much, but they certainly changed things from what the original plan was for the Chuck and Sarah story.
As for the second half... I actually think it is going to be better than the first. And I have really enjoyed the first half a lot.
Out of curiosity, at what point do you think they just let chuck and sarah walk off on a beach into the sunset? I mean if they did it at the end of this season and got renewed it would only take an episode to reset the status quo so to speak....do you think they would ever just go for the shippers dream....
Tom, maybe when the show ends. But the shippers have gotten their dream episode a number of times now. They are so selfish. They keep wanting more of what they said they just needed to see and then they would be happy.
Oh Magnus, you know that they will never break them up...that would be so soap drama, gossip girl, oc....they did that last season and certain fans and a single critic tried to take their head off, lol...I would love it, it would strengthen their bond, as they say distance makes the heart grow fonder, or something to that affect...but yeah that ship has sailed. I must admit it never suprises me when crazy fans keep bringing up season 3 but when critics do it like fienberg and sepinwall did the other day, you kind of know something sorta went wrong...
Yeah normal people do break up and move from girl to girl or boy to boy, but a couple who are in true and pure love? I do not know, because I am only 22 and have never been in true love, I have not yet ever adored another girl so much so that everytime I closed my eyes she would be my every thought and my heart raced by the mere sight of her....maybe if I did then yeah I doubt I would just break up and make up with her, it would be too painful I suppose, but as I said I am a young pup, I do not know.....so maybe, just maybe....
some people watch tv to escape from the real world and to see there favourite couple break up or not work out there difference then that is sad. Chuck is not a drama series it a comedy/romance/action series, I say leave the drama to greys anatomy. P.s thanks for all your spoilers they are fantastic.
Wrong. CHUCK is a drama series. Don't believe me? Look it up in the NBC catalog of shows. It isn't defined as a comedy. Hence why people call it a dramedy, since it is a drama with comedic elements.
And people may watch TV to escape from the real world, but that doesn't mean you should make a show the way a portion of a fandom wants it to be. After all, if some of you had an iota of talent, you would probably be off making your own show instead of criticizing professionals on how they SHOULD be doing their job.
I think at some point chuck and sarah became more that just crazy fans baying for blood if chuck and sarah were not together, at the end of 3.13 (and even now) some critics just lost their temper with how everything played out, I mean Mo Ryan laid into chris fedak big time and Schwedak are still asked if they have any regrets in how season 3 was parsed out....and this is from two of the most level headed tv critics....so yeah break them up and break them up when deemed necessary but be careful because there are more people then some may think out there who will pounce on the show runners if they get it wrong...
Tim, online critics are just fans who are paid to do what forum fans do... except they use their words better. And let us not forget that Alan is the same guy who PRAISED the show runners for keeping them apart. They are just following the online trend of saying season 3 had problems. Only Mo Ryan was calling them out for it WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING. The only thing the show runners have to answer for was making Shaw the Sarah's romantic interest AFTER they had already seen how it wasn't working well.
I swear you are either fedak or schwartz, lol. I mean Sepinwall ask if they have a plan for the Greta's and their response is that you will get from Greta's what you have already got from them! It is so you! you always say chuck will deliver a show it always delivers! The way they speak...how to answer cryptically being an insider 101....I love it! it drives fans nuts! as do you, in a good way.
I wonder if they still have cameras in chucks home? I mean they served there purpose when sarah wanted to monitor (check chucks dimensions and performance) chuck, but are they still there? I would like to think not, but casey is still single and may need them to pass the time? No? LOL!
Well ok I was joking about chuck and his "features", lol, but you said above in the real world people in true love do break up. Well in the real world people do not say I love you and enter into a full blown relationship without knowing the details........that is what a 3rd date is for I suppose....
Breaking them up would kill the series. Not because the show is better now than before they came together, but because a return to the pre-S3 (or even to the pre-S3E13) situation is not possible anymore.
The writers choosed for bringing them together from S3E13 and they remained so for almost the length of a season. You (the magnuscificant DR) told yourself that the writers will nor break them up is S4, so at the earliest they can do that in a S5 (if there will be such a thing).
So if there is break up it will happen after more than 30 episodes of togetherness, with all the investments made by the characters in it. To break that up in a believable way can only happen for (a) devestating reason(s) like treason, explicit infidelity, abuse or other out-of-character things like those. The result will be that C+S chemistry and connection are over and the show's character changes completely. Insufficient viewers will be able to identify with C and/or S anymore, turn their backs and thus it will mean the end of the series.
Of course angst, character conflicts between C+S, story-arcs were they are seperated for 1 or 2 episodes, misunderstandings, conflicts of interest between C+S (like spying versus other things), reactions on stressful developments (most exteme would be a pregnant Sarah but I doubt we will see that - at best at the end of S5?) etc are very very welcome. Boring garden-of-eden C+S stories we don't need, that will kill the show as well.
The challange for the writers, actors, NBC etc is to keep C+S together and to keep it interesting and exciting at the same time. They have no other choice anymore. Or just to cancel the show after S4..
Given Yvonne's passion for dogs, some smart tv exec should cast her in a remake of the 'Thin Man' movie(s) which of course stars Asta the dog. I never will make fun of old ladies named "Myrna" again after watching The Thin Man. Maybe a whole generation of young girls will be named Yvonne after our "Sarah" some day? Seems like the 'Charles' are not the future for Chuck and Sarah later in S4 or S5 of Chuck, that is unless Yvonne (or Jason) is named president of Comcast soon.
Bored Magnus? Kill casey, split chuck and sarah up.......anything else you want to add? How about kill Morgan or kill Alex or awesome or Ellie or jeffster (actually I want that) something bugging you? You can tell uncle joey
Chris, can you please send me some of the stuff you are smoking? It must be AWESOME stuff.
First two were a combined 2.9.
Next was a 2.6.
First episode with Shaw was a 2.5 as was the next episode with Shaw 2.5
The following episode did not have Shaw and was a 2.44.
The horrendous Mask had a 2.23. Then the show went on a break for the Olympics and returned to a 2.43. The audience was so disturbed by the Shaw arc that they abandoned the show to a... oh, 2.3.
And then the Shaw free Tic Tac, which had tons of Chuck and Sarah interaction... oh... 1.9. Oh wait a second, that was DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME. That started a trend.... with another 1.9 and then.... oops... back to 2.1 and 2.1.
You see, there is no proof that Shaw was destroying the show. If anything, it was daylight savings... and then people simply didn't return once they got confused. Mind you, CHUCK wasn't the only show to suffer a similar percentage loss. So, this massive and ridiculous bit of conjecture by the fandom isn't supported by THE FACTS.
And the facts say that Shaw's arc started at a 2.5 and ended on a 2.1. Not 3.0 to a 1.9.
I do love the idea that gets trotted out that the Shaw arc killed the show's ratings. I also firmly believe that Daylight Savings and the return of Dancing with the Stars to what were record numbers is what did caused the drop, taking across board drops on the other networks in combination with the shows actual rating's data it looks kind of obvious.
I'm just not expecting a proposal until near the end of the season. Maybe the showrunners will suprise me but I expect TPTB want fans to watch the show through out the run and the proposal is a huge huge dangling carrot, either that or they've got another event lined up as a dangling carrot.
I don't understand the rush to have them married. The writers have made it clear that is where its headed, so why not just enjoy and not stress. I also really don't understand the arrogance of parts of the fandom that everybody will stop watching if it doesn't happen by the timeline that they've drawn up in their minds. Fans of the entire show do exist.
OH CHUCK ME! This is going to be a loooooong week!!
ReplyDeleteoh god !! HOT !!! :) sarah new look ;-) !!!
ReplyDeleteNice, though I wish they gave us a longer freaking preview!! Oh well this is NBC, we can't expect anything better, with the total lack of promotion this season.
ReplyDeleteI am not totally loving that wig on Sarah (mostly because it's not a great wig and looks kinda fake), but it's ok, cause she can pull pretty much any look off and still look smokin'. I can't believe we still have to wait ANOTHER whole week!!
I can't wait!!!
ReplyDeleteGreat promo! I am counting the days.
ReplyDeleteBut the wig does look fake. Couldn't they have done any better?
ps.: Prison fight agains Yuri? YAY
Mamememomooisiusiuryh, that is what I said too. She looks hawt, but that wig is ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteMamemimomu: Prisoner?? :D It's Chuck :)
ReplyDeleteSarah looks awesome. thanks
ReplyDeleteI have a question to ask but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask here?
At least it looks better than the wig she wore in Truth.
ReplyDelete@Peter: I know (hope) Chuck isn't actually a prisoner, I meant that Chuck enters a prison-fight against Yuri. And apparently with dumbbells....oh, the epicness...
ReplyDeleteAnd if this promo is for 4x11 and 4x12, does it mean that Volkoff is also in France? The writers seem to particularly like France (mainly Paris). I see the appeal, but there are some other very nice countries, hehe.
Even though the wigs seem to be improving (the one on "the Truth" was just horrendous; the one on "the Suitcase" looked like stripper-barbie hair, but was a bit "less worse") they are far, far from a decent result. Why take someone so beautiful, a hot as hell leather outfit and finish it with a cheap mannequin wig? Beats me.
ReplyDeleteGood wigs can be so much fun (even Tuttle loved Alias!), only if they had gotten it right....
Hey Magnus, any idea if someone mentions "Miranda Lawson" to Sarah while she's undercover?
ReplyDeleteThere are Japanese anime cosplay wigs that are of better quality than that black wig Yvonne has!
ReplyDeleteI make your fish go crazy.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your response, Anonymous, if that even is your name, but we don't curse around here so... I hate to delete it.
ReplyDeleteWOO HOO
ReplyDeleteSo now Yvonne looks like her video game (Mass Effect) charactor.
ReplyDeleteTS
Magnus,
ReplyDeleteIf the hawt steamy Sarah action you keep teasing about is cut or edited down would you discribe it on a podcast?
TS
TS, I think I can do that.
ReplyDelete"If the hawt steamy Sarah action you keep teasing about is cut or edited down..."
ReplyDeleteooohhhhhhh..... they'd better not.
Did NBC spoil some of the hot scene in the promo?
ReplyDeleteA tad.
ReplyDeleteUgh...It never fails, they always spoil the things I would rather wait to see in the context of the episode.
ReplyDeleteJ says while chuckling ...
ReplyDelete" it's kinda.. It's kinda like I'm cheating on you WITH you right now "
lol
DR , do you know who wrote 4.11 ? And can you tell us ?
well, they must be leaving it in then! which is good news.
ReplyDeleteby "a tad" is that sarcasm, meaning they showed pretty much all of it?
what happened to the post you were working on about the chucktv issue?
ReplyDeleteKev
Kev, it is written but I need to check with someone about something before posting it.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, they were always leaving the scene in but not sure the level of hotness.
oh. well that's fine then. as long as its not being dropped, like a scene we might see months later in a "deleted scene" on the dvd.
ReplyDeleteSo
ReplyDeleteI think sarah is the former member of the Team B.
And I watched all of the promos. An I think there is a wall between Chuck and Sarah when she say, she will not came back without Mama B.
We saw Chuck is running, and Beckman stand before him and the doors are closing. So I think Chuck don't know about Sarah's plan. So may be this is the big Chuck and Sarah momment, top 5 as Dear DR say it. The goodby. :( :).
Poor Chuck, He seems so sad.
and 4.12 Sarah big episode, Shippers won't like it, except Sarah attack Chuck, wich seems to me, that will happen after she came back.
And of course EVIL Sarah as Chris Fedak mentioned to Kristindosantos.
So Sarah problay try to kil Chuck at some point somewhere in the epsisode 12.
But lets just wait, may be after the 4.13 Synopsis , may be we will knwo how ende up the 4.12.
Poor Chuck :) . I hope he will rise up ;)
BTW. Can I call you Magnus, or you would be like more the Dear Dr. ? :)
Did Snips say Sarah will probably try to kill Chuck? That would be...amazing! Talk about plot twist.
ReplyDelete-My neck hurts
Well for speculation sake I wonder if sarah is taking over mama b's role? Volkoff maybe into Brunettes and so if he knows that sarah will go for assets like she did chuck maybe he could be persuaded to let his guard down if sarah tries and seduces him....hmmmm...this is based on prez and magnus conversation in the leftovers podcast...is volkoff the other man sarah leaves chuck for in order to bring back his mom, maybe sarah sympathizes with her and wants to help, I know a lot of speculation, chucks fight looks good....will chuck allow volkoff near his girl? I doubt it!
ReplyDeleteLooks promising. And I figured that scene would have to do with the hot moment between Chuck and Sarah (thanks for confirming it, Magnus). The only issue is that the trashiness of the wig detracts from the hotness of the situation.
ReplyDeleteIt still looks pretty hot, but I can't stop thinking: fake plastic hair, fake plastic hair, fake plastic hair. It is like a unwanted mantra in my brain everytime I see brunette Sarah on this promo. How am I going to survive fake plastic hair for several minutes during the episodes? Am I going to be able to concentrate on anything else? Am I the only one still obsessed by this hair debacle?
ps.: Timothy Dalton rules!
Just a guess: is the hotness right after they get all emotional and Sarah says "I'm not coming back without your mom?" Because that is just INTENSE LOVE RIGHT THERE...
ReplyDeletedifferent hair colors.
ReplyDeleteMagnus,
ReplyDeleteI do not know if you have answered this question but is the writer of this episode Fedak or Craig Digrigorio? I think those are the only 2 set of writers who have not written 2 episodes this season.....
First your teasers and now all these promos...
ReplyDeleteYou're killing me man
One line from the Chuck part of the combined promo has me very excited: "One is discovering his potential." And didn't you say in one of these threads that Chuck was just going to discover what he could already do (this is from memory & I can't find the post).
ReplyDeleteEveryone needs a hero once in a while, and I may just get my wish that Chuck, the Hero returns!
Cool!
Chuck 4.13 Short Synopsis
ReplyDelete"
While Sarah tries to free Chuck’s mother, Morgan and Chuck go after Volkoff; Casey and Alex bond; Ellie hopes to ease Awesome’s anxiety over becoming a father.
"
Well, I'm not become smarter. :)
MY theory was 4.11 ending with Sarah leaves. and 4.12 is endig a diferent way
But of course it could be Sarah and Marry both captured in some way.
But Morgan and Chuck seems promising. I just hope Chuck worthy to Sarah I mean Sarah phase three episode, was very strong, so I hope Chuck get something like that. And some reason I realy hope Chuck will Save Sarah life, in some way, becasue Sarah already did it with Chuck. :)
http://www.tvline.com/2011/01/exclusive-chuck-clip-casey/
ReplyDelete"John Casey, man servant."
:)
I Just watched the 4 11 sneak peek. You're spoiler about John Casey as man servant has just been proven, hahaha and chuck speaking in a British accent is awesome can't wait for the episode.
ReplyDeleteBtw thanks for all of your spoilers
What??? Man Servant was real? BUT I THOUGHT I WAS A FAKE?!?!? ;)
ReplyDeleteI just was reading the NBC.com homepage and found this synopsis for 4.11:
ReplyDeleteOn assignment at a French vineyard, Chuck juggles tracking down a nano-chip with trying to create the perfect romantic moment to propose to Sarah.
Since you said the engagements been delayed, I think the crazy shippers wil be freaking. Makes me wonder though what exactly happens to Chuck's plan?
AB (not Adam Baldwin)
All true. He spends a lot of time trying to create the perfect moment... over... and over... and over... and over... and over...
ReplyDeleteDiane says...
ReplyDeleteI love the British accent in the sneek peek. I wonder if Sarah uses one, too. That would be really cute.
Morgan makes a good handler, giving Chuck instructions over the comm.
tmi guys... TMI! I am going to take a 1 week hiatus from reading anything about Chuck.
ReplyDeletefunny, I spent about the last month and a half wanting a little more information so I could try and piece everything together, and now that I am getting it, I feel like I am getting spoiled.
And I don't like it!
later
Kevin
Diane says...
ReplyDelete"He spends a lot of time trying to create the perfect moment... over... and over... and over... and over... and over... "
I can see how that would drive shippers nuts...with frustration.
Not just shippers... everyone.
ReplyDelete"He spends a lot of time trying to create the perfect moment... over... and over... and over... and over... and over..."
ReplyDeleteHence your comment to Prez in podcast 52 about Sepinwall's comment that the proposal will keep getting interrupted. "you have no idea.."
And yet, and yet - we will love this episode.
Looking forward to it!!
SO Sarah is the former member that tries to kill a current member (casey) ...
ReplyDeleteSarah leaves Chuck for another man (volkoff) Twisted teaser DR Magnus ... Very twisted.
TS
Bingo, PeterO. :)
ReplyDeleteTS, I am your hero.
DR Magnus,
ReplyDeleteYES YOU ARE !!!
You are my exclusive Chuck information website.
TS
Going anywhere else is just a waste of time.
ReplyDeleteOr as it said on the box at a pizza place I used to work for:
You've tried the rest, now try the best.
I do pay attention Magnus. ;-)
ReplyDeleteThe thing I like the most (and find most frustrating) about your blog site is that everything really is interrelated. You've got bits & pieces everywhere and if you go looking or pay attention, you'll find them.
Damn, I wish I was at good at finding things on your site as I just made myself sound.
Now if there was only a way for you to post teasers and spoilers without getting ripped off.
ReplyDeleteI just love puzzles.
TS
TS, if only. I would likely share so much more if not for the fact that people can't be cool.
ReplyDeletePeterO, if you only knew how scattered it all is. I have spread out info all over the damn place. Some of it has never been found by ANYONE.
Well I hope you don't bleep any more in your padcast. That was real torture !!!
ReplyDeleteTS
Magnus, I have a request - in the future, when Chuck is done, the final season/show broadcast has aired and we've all had our fill of the eulogies & postmortems - would you lead us on a treasure hunt? I would love to see where and how you hid this stuff.
ReplyDeletePeterO, perhaps. I mean, if anyone still cares at that point.
ReplyDeleteIt's not about what you HUD, it's where and howyiu hid it. You know, it's about the journey. ;-)
ReplyDeleteSigh, HID not HUD; how you not howyiu. Sometimes I hate the iPhone.
ReplyDeleteMAGNUS: YOU RULE!!!!
ReplyDeleteThis episodes is going to be great! Not only there is "John Casey, man servant", there is "Cobra/The Magnet, as a handler-esque proposal-helper", more Timothy Dalton and Linda Hamilton, british Chuck...and some classic relationship-related agony over the proposal...
You put other websites to shame!
ps.: When Chuck ends I will have to deal not only with the loss of the show, but also of your blog. I will probably have to go to some kind of intenet rehab to deal with the withdrawal symptoms.
Mamemmomomo, you are too kind.
ReplyDeleteKeep going. ;)
Actually **Mamemimomu**
ReplyDeleteLH and Tdalton aren't in 4.11
* But you're right about DR being awesome, if he was incredibly awesome though he'd post one more spoiler before Chuck returns :)
And what kind of spoiler, Anonymous, if that even is your name, would you like to hear?
ReplyDeleteDear DR if chuck keeps trying to propose and failing how do the slow it down? I mean you say that since they got the back order they decelerated it, but how? By looking at all fan forums and critics reaction....everyone is now expecting the proposal to come....if they are saving it to the end of the season can we expect another potential chuckpocolypse? Where fans become so crazy over the wait that they cannot function and have to hit the message boards and tweet the show runners! I suppose one way they could do it would be to have the mama b storyline and then sarah's background that makes chuck question who she is then casey needs help with his past so and so forth, roadblocks!
ReplyDeleteI think people will be having too much fun to flip out TOO much about it.
ReplyDeleteCan you tell me please, if Chuck will have a new type of flash in next few episodes??
ReplyDeleteI personally do not get what they rush is to have them engaged or married anytime soon? I mean they have only been dating a year! I know there was 3 years of pineing and 1000's of fake dates and fake cuddling and fake kisses and fake relationship, etc. But still man why push a great thing?
ReplyDeleteWhat is Volkoff saying at 00.04
ReplyDeleteChuck, ......?
I couldn't understand.
"And what kind of spoiler, Anonymous, if that even is your name, would you like to hear?"
ReplyDeleteIt is my name.
To be different, I'd like a General Beckman or Alex spoiler please. It would cement my opinion of you as the greatest being in the entire Chuckverse :)
@Mike
Easy, because it's a bubble show :(
Anonymous, since that is your name, so up until now, I have not cemented that? Damn.
ReplyDeleteI have a pretty good Alex spoiler but I am hanging onto it for a few weeks. Ask me again later. :)
I just want to note that I can see what search words people use to find this site and my favorite happened today:
ReplyDelete"videos of chuck having sex with the fulcrum girl"
Speaking of the "fulcrum girl", is it sad that I am still bitter about Jill/Chuck sexi-meow-meow scenes? Don't get me wrong, Colonel is the hottest thing on earth but it was 2 seasons ago... and dreams don't count.
ReplyDeleteTalking about chuck being a bubble show, Sepinwall and Fienberg mentioned that ratings aside with NBC doing the comcast deal there is legally no president at the TCA press tour so we will not get any answers yet on what chuck has to do in order to get a renewal. One would like to think that a solid 2.0 would do the job and baring in mind that other shows are struggling (even the new ones look short on wow factor) I am a little hopeful! but that does not stop me everytime I go to my local subway in stuffing the comment box with I only buy subway because you sponsor chuck.....
ReplyDeleteI know that was hotter then anything chuck and sarah have ever done, I mean they went to town! tongues were used multiple times and there was definately some serious chemistry going! I do not think chuck and sarah ever use tongue (apart from salami) so yeah hot scene indeed!
ReplyDeleteWOW you have that video ??? (LOL)
ReplyDeleteTS
Antonie,
ReplyDeleteVolkoff says "you're just in time" to Chuck and "Now that's a wicked idea" to Frost
TS
Magnus are you chris fedak ? I mean when he does his interviews it is like he has channelled you!
ReplyDeleteOK, with that Google search?
ReplyDelete(hands DR his prize of one Internet)
Keep up the great work. I'd definitely be sorry to see you go.
Cor
Billy, as I keep saying, people should stop stressing about renewal/cancellation for now. Give it at least another month. :)
ReplyDeleteJJ, creepy.
Arthur, or Chris Fedak reads this blog and knows what I have already leaked.
Well you have never been seen and in a way the way you taunt certain sections of the fandom it would make sense for you to be fedak, lol....I mean he must get some catharsis from reading how all these nutbags making his job that much harder are getting their comeupons through you,lol. Oh and JJ I agree with Magnus...creepy, but I will say that I am sure chuck and sarah have done the tongues but it is cut, you can see it in the editing they do around every kiss, I mean heck even colonel was edited out and salami for that matter of fact too, this is an 8 pm show you know, they can show people getting shot and killed but no tongues....how honourable of them....
ReplyDeleteOk gonna give an attempt at putting some spoilers together. Sarah leaves Chuck to join Volkoff and work with Mary to try and take him down. She knows that Mary is the only one keeping them safe and doesn't like that person being anyone but herself. So she decides she must do it. Sarah contacts Mary in some clandestine fashion a la Stephen and the classifieds and tells her the plan. Mary is telling Volkoff that she can get Sarah to join them and leave Team B so that Volkoff can use that against Chuck to get him to stop coming after his mom and following in his fathers work. Sarah attacks Chuck with passion on what might be their last time together and then has to play "bi***" to Chuck because Volkoff is watching now.
ReplyDeleteIn order to prove herself to Volkoff Sarah is ordered to kill a current member of Team B. That member is Casey. Casey has to go underground so that Volkoff thinks he is dead. There he gets to connect with Alex from the official synopsis. Sarah though has planned this with Team B and she knows that she is the only one that can pull off the most dangerous part of this plan. But she knows that she will need help. She ends up getting it too deep and it is the new and improved Chuck that gets himself to where the "regular guy hero" will save both his mom and his future fiance.
Ok I'm done. Probably completely wrong but it was fun to think of. Can't wait for the next 18 days!
uplink, you got most of the parts that have already been spoiled right... but most of the rest of your speculation is off.
ReplyDeleteWell That is better than I thought so I'll take it! And that is why we call it speculation any way. I knew I was going a bit far afield on some things but that was part of the fun.
ReplyDeleteCan't wait to see it play out for real.
You know who you are, you have actually become more annoying than a crazy shipper. I deleted your comment. Find a new tune or a new site.
ReplyDeleteWill the baby be featured much after the birth, or will they mostly just reference the baby?
ReplyDeleteThe baby joins Team B and gets the Intersect 3.0 in her head and replaces Casey.
ReplyDeleteOnly none of that is true.
In a feisty mood today Magnus! Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? lol! Why all the casey hate? one day when all this is finished and chuck is gone you can tell us what AB did on or off set that gets you kinda casey hating the last few weeks.....
ReplyDeleteThat's too bad. Although she would probably make the whole team obsolete. She's be cuter than Sarah, grunt more than Casey, shorter and more reckless than Morgan, and probably more badass than Chuck.
ReplyDeleteGeorge, deal. :)
ReplyDeleteMind you, I actually like Casey a lot.
Sue, CUTER THAN SARAH?!?! HOW DARE YOU??!?!
Actually talking about casey being sidelined, how about big mike? I mean I know that subway saved our show and they are awesome beyond awesome but Big Mike used to be funny and in charge and lazy, now he just sucks up to morgan and is basically a walking advertisement for subway. Come on guys bring big mike back!
ReplyDeleteMagnus, are we meant to still be questioning Mama B's motives, or was "Leftovers" the last word on that?
ReplyDeleteI don't know... I had pretty much made up my mind by 4.01.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why, but I was pulling for her to be a villain. She does seem to have been protecting Chuck and Ellie, but that doesn't *have* to mean she's a good guy. Look at Sydney's mom from Alias. I guess it's better this way, though. We can't keep having the people Chuck cares about either dying or turning out to be evil.
ReplyDeleteSo basically that she is good but not great at showing it....because she is not a typical bartowski in that she is a killer! a huge killer! A bit like chuck and sarah, papa b was the scientist....chuck is a computer engineer....sarah is the spy....mama b is the spy....mary may have duped stephen into loving her, sarah duped chuck into loving her (but to be honest it was not that hard!)...oh where to the parallels end, does papa b and mama b show us that no matter how good and special a man chuck is sarah can leave him at a drop of the hat, will she be doing that in 4.12 or end of 4.11 will she be leaving chuck? that is the question, what does the future hold for our star crossed lovers.......it could all end in heartbreak!
ReplyDeleteWill mean something the charm bracelet or is it just a bracelet?
ReplyDeletecoz I watched that episode in Christmas and now Sarah and Mama B together...
Hi Magnus,
ReplyDeleteI love that chuck is progressed and is more competent, but there is a part of me that just occassionally he would look and act around sarah like he did back in season 1 and 2. I mean... I do not mean to get personal but I assume (not knowing, I am not a stalker) but I assume Zach Levi has dated some gorgeous women in his time, yet he totally sells moments like after their first kiss he was so tongue tied and nervous and happy and for a second I smiled because he seemed so genuinely happy that sarah had showed an interest in him, I mean he sold that sarah was everything to him, great acting, phenominal acting. My question is will we ever get moments like that again from chuck? he is so adorable in those moments, as I said because it is "fake" i.e. "acting" it makes it all the more wonderful to watch!
I think Mary is whatever you want her to be.
ReplyDeleteNena, what?
Sarah, I don't know what show some of you are watching. Chuck is still super excited that he is dating the hottie.
I know he is excited! when he saw her in fear of death he still sees her with a wind machine and in an angel light, but back in season 2 when he asked her out on a date you could see him swallow he was that nervous and the smile on his face when she said yes and even the date was fantastic and back then when he day dreamed of sarah he saw her do handstands and he had the biggest goofiest smile I have ever seen chuck have it was magical and he was on cloud 9 the whole time!
ReplyDeleteI don't know why fans try so hard to not be satisfied.
ReplyDeleteI am not dissatisfied in the slightest, I just remember you guys saying that this season they will be going back the to the "well" and using some elements of season 2. From what I remember of season 2... I would not mind if they used how chuck used to react around sarah and I gave my reasons above, that is all, not dissatisfaction, just pure nostalgia.
ReplyDelete"The baby joins Team B and gets the Intersect 3.0 in her head and replaces Casey."
ReplyDeleteThis was one of the most glorious statements in the history of mankind. True story.
Sarah and Mama B together (I mean Sarah is going undercover to help MamaB)
ReplyDeleteDear Dr.,
ReplyDeletemay I imagine a different scenario?
What if Mary is captured by the CIA (no matter if she's good or bad, she evaded by a CIA facility) and Sarah goes rogue ("evil Sarah") to rescue her, as she is now convinced that she is definitely one of the good guys? Of course she has to step out of CIA's Team Bartowski ("a former member"), and she might also need to "kill" (or at least, to point her gun at) some of the other members: Casey, maybe? And I don't think that Chuck will be too happy with that...
@Henry: I like this scenario (even though I think it is unlikely to happen). Rogue Sarah is awesome!
ReplyDeleteps.: I just hate it when some websites try to blatantly manipulate Chuck fans for their benefit using Chuck characters as bait. There is one in particular that gets some very vague spoilers and then lists a thousand characters from a thousand different shows so that the readers have to guess which one of them is the one mentioned in the spoiler. It is so obviously never a Chuck character. Do they think we are idiots that will keep visiting their website until they reveal who they were talking about? Sorry about the rant, but it just ticks me off.
BTW, if Casey were the current member of team B that the former member of team B tries to kill, it would explain the rumoured absence of AB and the emotional scene between Casey and Alex. Intriguing.
ReplyDeleteSatisfaction is subjective but I agree Magnus that some go out of their way to find things to gripe about. Every season there are things that don't work and last season there were huge ones that will be discussed for as long as people remember and talk about this show. But for me at least this season they have been minimal. I am a confirmed shipper and the reason I watch this show first and foremost is Sarah Walker and the incredible talents of Yvonne. As much as last season the writers regressed her character to many times a very unappealing level her growth this season is a joy to watch again. Probably even more than seasons 1 and 2. Will they do things that piss me off again, certainly, but overall this season has been such a fun ride and we are not even half way yet.
ReplyDeleteThis season the fun and joy of being a fan is back for me at least hopefully others will find it more as well.
Here is how I see it:
ReplyDeleteIf you want to see the wide eyed Chuck of season 1... go watch season 1. If you want to see the growing more confident Chuck who has fallen hard for Sarah... go watch season 2.
Chuck is not going to be nervous around Sarah unless he is doing something with her for the first time (like a proposal or something of the kind). He is not going to see her like he used to in seasons 1 or 2 because he is WITH her. He will now see her in a different way. This isn't his potential girlfriend, this is now the woman he plans on marrying. So, to go back to emotions or actions that you saw in the first two seasons would be disingenuous writing.
You will certainly get lots of Chuck and Sarah moments this season and some you will love and others you may think weren't as good as some other moment in some other season.
And that is fine. Every episode doesn't have to BETTER a previous episode. They all live on their own within this world. And these are still the characters we loved in previous season, with some emotional growth. So, look forward, not backward.
Unless, like I said earlier, it is to actually look backward. In which case, pop in the DVD. ;)
Well put.
ReplyDeletePlus, there is one of the top five Chuck and Sarah moments of ALL TIME in 411 according to Magnus, so better Chcuk and Sarah moments are to come!
ReplyDeleteAB
It is always going to be difficult to "sell" that he is still infatuated with sarah like he was in seasons 1 and 2 especially since his looks and features have surpassed hers....she is now the lucky one...I mean come on! he seduced Hannah!
ReplyDeleteHell, there may be five of the top five moments in 4.11 (OK, I may have gone too far). ;)
ReplyDeleteSorry, Lucy, but I would still do Sarah a thousand times before I would even kiss Chuck on the cheek.
ReplyDeleteYeah because your a guy.....of course you would, but come on man he seduced your beloved Hannah...and to you Hannah is far prettier then sarah, well I am guessing that by the way you put her on a pedistal.....But just look at his glowing olive skin and beautiful smile and he is seriously smoking this season...as I said sarah is now the geek, lol......Also a side note I was actually dumb enough to watch the first few seasons of smallville and never did she have the chemistry with Mr Welling that she had with Mr Levi! Our boy has skills and looks and charm and charisma and a sense of humour and......
ReplyDeleteWell said Magnus.
ReplyDeleteJust one more thing. Chuck is still shocked time to time about how much sexy Sarah is.
Suitcase and Coup d'Etat and probaly now in the Gobbler. But I think there is diferent if you pining for a girl or if you actualy dating with the Girl. But He still think He is the most lucky guy in the world. And there is where at some point he's insecurity came from. I think there is a voice in his head who still can't belive he is enough. Remember, when He told Ellie that he thinks when he was child that Mamay leaves becasue of him. And just because you say " I did this to protect you " It's not make it any better a think. And Now Sarah problay choice the same what Mama B made. So I assuming He is going to be hurt a little, but probaly not to much, I mean I don't think He is going to wait 20 year to rescue them.
We will see, I'm looking forward some Mama B and Sarah talk or interaction.
BTW.
Magnus do you know how long will be around Marry, and Volkoff, or it's to big spoiler to tell right now?
What happened with Agent Sam Lisa ? :)
and
I need to say actualy I suprised that you not use some spoiler like " Chuck cheating on Sarah with a brunette " or something like that XD
and one last thing . There is reason why you use capital letter for some word. ? I noticed that , may be its soem how hiden spoiler if you put it right the words ? :)
Hannah is a brunette so... I will of course choose her over Sarah. I am not that into blonds. Plus, Sarah is too much like me. I wouldn't want to date myself.
ReplyDeleteHOWEVER, for Chuck, Sarah is THE girl. So, it isn't about who is better looking. It is about love. Even then, Sarah is sooooo much hotter than Chuck is handsome.
What! you being a guy and me being a girl we will always disagree...which is fair enough, as two hetrosexual people it would be wierd otherwise....but talking about chuck and girls...I wonder if Mr Levi has a special love perfume, because every girl, I mean every girl to walk through the chuckverse, I mean DAMN! You go boy!
ReplyDeleteChuck has nerd-charm. And he is sweet and kind and caring and cute (even though Zac is gorgeous!). That will get the girls every time.
ReplyDeleteExcept those girls who like bad boys.
Think you'll get a kick out of this - on another site's forum, the moderator says that according to her 'intel', Baby Awesome was originally due in episode 4.13 but when they got the back order it was moved to 4.14.
ReplyDeleteHmmm - Push Mix or Seduction Impossible. Which sounds more plausible?
Which site is this, PeterO?
ReplyDeleteThat was a rhetorical question ? LOL
ReplyDeleteWhat you guess ? XD
It was Mel from Chuck tv, she say it in the forum. that Baby Awesome arrives 4.14
Well, Mel must have better sources than Ryan McPartlin and me and the people I know who work on the show who were there when the episode was shot.
ReplyDeleteMind you, they had received the pickup BEFORE THEY EVEN WROTE THE EPISODE.
Talking about Zach's attractiveness, what happened to your previous co-podcaster Jess. I mean she was so pro chuck and anti sarah and used to come up with the line "he's so attractive" and I want a wet chuck moment, etc, etc. She was great in your podcast very honest and critical when need be, can she come back?
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, Jess was never anti-Sarah. Not even close. If anything, Sarah is kind of her favorite character. The only thing she ever had problems with, Sarah wise, was what they were doing to her hair and makeup. The same problem I had and have.
ReplyDeleteSecond, unfortunately, she is on the west coast and her work schedule totally conflicts with when we east/middle coasters do the podcast. So, probably not any time soon.
Third, I'm sure she still wants wet Chuck.
I am still holding out for MamaB to be on the darker side of gray.
ReplyDeleteIf Mama B were on the bad side....what would chuck do to her then if she tried anything with his beloved Sarah? I mean Sarah is going to try and help her and if she is dark, she may try and hurt Sarah! I mean she already shot at her in AOT, that would be awesome, Mama B being bad, what would our hero do then? Like Batman he will not kill her and Volkoff, but he won't save them from the CIA!
ReplyDeleteFYI, to those who care, the podcast will be recorded on Tuesday, not Monday, so it will not be out until Tuesday night or even Wednesday morning (depends on how much I have to edit).
ReplyDeleteGood news is... I will be opening up for a Q&A on Monday night, following the episode, so you all can ask questions pertaining to 4.11 and beyond and I will answer those questions.
Diane says...
ReplyDeleteThe Q&A opportunity IS good news. It's always hard to ask a question when you don't know it will be answered in the episode.
The ratings may be out too, if you choose to discuss them in the podcast. Though, because of the holiday, final Nielsens won't be available until Wednesday morning. I don't know about the "fast affiliate" ratings TVBTN uses.
Diane, thanks for the info.
ReplyDeleteI am thinking about doing them on Tuesday from now on just so we can have time to collect our thoughts. I have enjoyed doing it immediately after the episode, since it set us apart from the other podcasts, but in doing so we don't give fans the opportunity to ask pertinent questions, nor can we discuss the ratings.
We shall see. I am always looking for ways to make doing the podcast more fun for us... especially since I have wanted to stop doing the darn thing for about a year.
Diane says...
ReplyDeleteI just saw a tweet repeating what I said and not getting it right. So, if you can bare with me, I'll repeat it.
I said FINAL ratings. There are several different ratings that come out before that:
"Major market overnights": These are household level ratings that come from meters that are in the largest markets. The Programming Insider at Mediaweek uses these. I do not know if they will be delayed.
"Fast affiliate ratings": These are time period ratings that come in based on ratings all the NBC affiliates got. They can be off from the final ratings if an affiliate ran something else in the time period or if the show was run in a different time period by the station. I do not know if these will be delayed.
"Overnights": TVBTN refers these as "final". They are program-based rather than time period based. These will be delayed until Wednesday morning.
Usually, the final ratings are only slightly different than the "fast affiliate" ratings and often don't change at all.
Diane...
ReplyDeleteI just doublechecked my sources and Monday final overnights are set to be released Wednesday 5PM ET.
If I said "morning" in my previous posting, please change it or note this revision.
hi guys I'm Brazilian! and I have to say I love this site ... and also am so anxious for the return of CHUCK. I simply love this series ... here and say that unfortunately did not find many people who share the same feeling ... BUT no matter short ...
ReplyDeletemy name is camila live in Brazil and I love the site and not live without a series'm chucksters! thanks to ADM SITE!
Magnus, I need a sanity check.
ReplyDeleteIs it just me or do you also see Chuck popping the big question as anti climatic or a mute point? Sarah has done everything but carve on Chuck's body "Yes I'll marry you!". Chuck needs to pop the question and move on. Waiting for the "right romantic moment" just won't happen. After all the first time Chuck really found out Sarah loved him he was drunk and on the floor.
What will happen to mama B has much more drama.
TS
TS, we have known since the pilot that these two cats were destined to be together. So, why hasn't it all been anti-climactic?
ReplyDeleteAs I said before, why do fans try so hard to ruin things for themselves? Just sit back and enjoy.
Thanks Magnus,
ReplyDeleteFor a moment I thought I was having a serious Chuck withdraw.
TS
I mean, if you know your characters are going to get engaged, then one way to make it a surprise is by having the proposal fail... a lot. As long as you also make it fun, then it won't seem like an albatross around the show's neck.
ReplyDeleteBut of course some people will complain because they are impatient.
So call me stupid, but would you explain how we can Q&A with your podcast?
ReplyDeleteTS
I will post the blog on Monday after the episode. You will have until Tuesday around 6pm ET to post a question that I will then answer on the podcast when we record it.
ReplyDeleteThanks ... So the podcast will be posted sometime Wednesday then.
ReplyDeleteTS
Or Tuesday night.
ReplyDeleteSo the question now Mr Bartowski is are you ready to take a leap of faith? (proposal) or will you die alone a man filled with regret! do we need to implant the idea via inception for you to propose as soon as possible or will you wait for the perfect moment that will never come because you live in an imperfect world (spy world) that is filled with imperfect people who will make you wait for what you want most? The challenge has been set, you are in love just go for it my brother, now is your time, if you want to grow old with agent walker now is the time to take the plunge! Have no fear as nirvana awaits you on the other side, nirvana is a blonde giant shemale who will go to hell and back for you against all odds and reason just to spend a moment, an instant, a life time with you! You just do not get it do you my friend, you have never been so lucky....How is that Magnus for Hyperbole? lol.....Good luck Special Agent Bartowski.....if only you know how special that moment will be when she says yes, then and only then will you have the best 5/10/15/20.... year plan that you never thought would have existed 4 years ago when a girl walked upto your nerd herd desk and asked you to take a leap of faith....
ReplyDeleteWe did know from the pilot that they would wind up together and I have no problem waiting a little while longer if necessary - but as we all know, it's all in the execution. That said, I'd like a bit of a call back for the official proposal.
ReplyDeleteSo, instead of "fancy, eloquent" and overboard romantic version of the proposal - we might get "blunt, honest" and heartfelt proposal.
But if it doesn't happen that way, well I'll still relax and enjoy the show I love.
Rumors are that more eye candy is in store for Chuck.
ReplyDeleteSince Magnus is the only real trusted Chuck source I'll wait for him to announce who the ladies are.
TS
Just listened to the last Firewall and Iceberg podcast and fedak knows Tony Ja! I mean I posted a couple of months ago a youtube scene of the protector hotel fight scene (staring Ja) and said Levi could do those moves that Ja does and fedak obviously knows about Ja and his movies, so why not get him in to train zach or send zach to the monastery that Ja resides as a monk and learn the moves!
ReplyDeleteI love how in the Firewall and Iceberg podcast fedak says that with the intersect they are trying to show how this makes chuck special.....I think Chris, the day chuck began dating sarah....the most beautiful girl in the world (hyperbole, but she is hot) we as fans knew then and there what makes him special, lol!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteOh sepinwall is such a romantic he asked schwartz why can't chuck and sarah just be happy, which schwartz replied if he wanted no conflict and alan said yes! shippers you hav you new leader!
ReplyDeleteWith everything you know about the last 10 minutes of 4x13, do you think it might be the best the show has ever been?
ReplyDeleteAs I have been saying... 4.13 is pretty huge all around. I don't know how they edited the final 10 minutes so I can't give you an accurate answer. But it all sounds pretty epic.
ReplyDeleteFedak and Schwartz have already stated that there is morgan nudity coming up, if only it was chuck and sarah....Meuwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteMagnus now that you have confirmed it is going to be epic my anticipation has gone up! I mean when Fedak and Schwartz say it...well I do not trust their judgement of what is good on the show especially after the chuckmalfunction of 2010!
ReplyDeleteJoe, now that I have said it? I said it a month ago!
ReplyDeleteYou did not mention the specific 10 minutes before and I do not remember you saying it was the best 10 minutes chuck has ever done!
ReplyDeleteJoe, I would never say it is the best 10 minutes ever... since I haven't seen it. However, I did say that the episode was like Colonel meets Lethal Weapon (and maybe Tic Tac). So, it is huge and epic and Chuck is badass in it.
ReplyDeleteSo sexy romance (colonel), Romance and heart (Lethal Weapon) and chuck being awesome (Tic Tac). If they can mix those elements then indeed it will be epic. Furthermore if they can recreate that special moment from colonel (the epic motel scene) then it will go down as the best episode this show has ever done!
ReplyDeleteWOA. well this is gonna be long 3 weeks, I mean I already want to jump in 4.13.
ReplyDeletebtw I looking forward what will Chuck become.
Ohh and Lauren Cohan I liked Her in Supernatural, too bad they kill her because the female fanbase was jealous LOL. oh and Katie Cassidy , she was so good as Ruby , wondering if, they have a chance to keep around Katie as Ruby for season 4 then they turn her in the Dark side or keep her as a Good Bad Girl?! Still think Season 3 was the best for Supernatural, oh sorry I digress XD
Katie Cassidy would be good as a GRETA or not?
I never said 4.13 was sexy romantic Colonel. More like awesome Colonel.
ReplyDeleteSnips, you should just skip the next two episodes since they totally suck and are not worth your time to watch.
ReplyDeleteEveryone else, the next two episodes are awesome.
Oh when you said like colonel, I like every fan remember the motel scene....am I a pervert or was that just a great standout scene, anyhoo colonel did have a lot of action and fight scenes and explosives and awesome stuff going on and so I am looking forward to that, sucks no motel type scene, but cool!
ReplyDeleteSo Magnus, with chuck being awesome in 4.13, I guess we will be hearing a lot of chuck's hero music playing while he is awesome and badass and kickass! There is nothing better then special agent carmichael doing what he does in the name of love, it has the visceral effect that is pure emotion and heart and I look forward to seeing where this ends, it sounds epic! As much as this season has been about sarah and how kick ass she is, I do always enjoy chuck when he super competent!
ReplyDeleteJoe, you are a perv like every man. ;)
ReplyDeleteAnd woman.... ;)
ReplyDeleteThat's alright, we'll see at least a little hottness in 4x12, right?
4.11 = adorableness.
ReplyDelete4.12 = hotness.
4.13 = badassness.
J says ...
ReplyDeleteI love how the fandom is assuming that there is a PROPOSAL at the end of 4.13 with Schwartz' comment about it being the best 10 minutes of CHUCK .
You would think that people would realize that there is more to CHUCK than just the Chuck and Sarah relationship .In 4.13 Baby awesome arrives , Volkoff and Mama B storyline comes to a head , the " tron poster moment ", Chuck using his " badassness .
Is the proposal really a necessity to have in 4.13 with all that other stuff going on and the extra 11 episodes ? No. Though I think I am in the minority on that one .
DR , I feel sorry for your comment section after 4.13 airs if there is not a proposal . Though the traffic will be nice , I don't know if it will make up for some of the remarks that are sure to ensue . :)
J, people will be very pleased with 4.13, whether there is a proposal or not.
ReplyDeleteYou know J the cold truth is when Fedak said to Sepinwall (regarding the need for conflict) that this show cannot be about chuck and sarah sitting in a garden where everything is perfect and they are just happy....because that would make a boring show...he said that they love each other but they are two different people who have to learn to comprimise and conflict will arise....I think even though it would be a boring show (the garden scenario) I think a lot of fans would tune in to watch a show like that and be happy, they would get chuck and sarah smiling at each other with those adorable smiles, adorable holding hands, adorable hugs and cuddles, adorable kissing and probably all the conversations that some fans have always wanted to hear....the cold sad truth is fans, a lot of them want that type of show, I do not know why and so when they do not get it they come to sites like magnus to complain and moan and groan it will continue until the show is gone and probably years after......that day when colonel aired, that moment in the barstow motel did something to certain fans....I am not a psychologist and do not know what but it has not been all good for the showrunners....
ReplyDeleteJ says ...
ReplyDeleteOh I'm sure 4.13 will be incredible . It's just with A LOT of people now expecting the proposal to go down in that episode that if it doesn't happen , a certain element of the fandom will you know ....
If there isn't a proposal in 4.13 , Schwartz will have fell victim to one of the CLASSIC blunders . The most famous is never get involved in a land war in ASIA . But only slightly less well know is this .. NEVER mess with Chuck and Sarah shippers when a PROPOSAL is on the line ... lol
James, I don't think Colonel did it. It was Santa that finally pushed people over the edge of being able to rationally watch the show and enjoy the will-they-won't-they. Colonel just put a new layer on the cake.
ReplyDeleteJ responds ...
ReplyDelete@ James ..
I have no idea why your comment was directed at me . My comment to DR was not as an anti shipper ( DR can probably vouch for that since my generosity led to the " Sarah attacks Chuck with popcorn...um.. I mean PASSION " teaser spoiler ) .
Who doesn't want Chuck and Sarah to get engaged ? We all know it's coming the only matter is when . I was just stating that just because Schwartz said that the last 10 minutes of 4.13 will be the best the show has done so far , doesn't mean that the proposal will be in THAT episode . If it is Great ! If not , it won't bother me at all. But I can't speak for others on that matter *cough* certain Chuck forums/blogs/fan sites *cough*
I hate fans.
ReplyDeleteNot my fans.
Just fans in general.
My fans rule.
J says ...
ReplyDeleteFan-tastic
:)
I am suprised by the revealation that episodes 4.11 to 4.13 have largely been left alone and they are going flat out on 3 episodes of awesomeness! it really does make me wonder what they are going to do in the back half, Schwedak say that it is going to be fun, fun, fun....4.14 like honeymooners.....and then the cat squad, I personally think that this season has been really light and fun...and loved it...the fact that they are going for more fun is awesome! this season is like the season most fans have pined for and got, how can anyone complain?
ReplyDeleteJames, they may not have changed the Volkoff and Mama B arc much, but they certainly changed things from what the original plan was for the Chuck and Sarah story.
ReplyDeleteAs for the second half... I actually think it is going to be better than the first. And I have really enjoyed the first half a lot.
Magnus,
ReplyDeleteOut of curiosity, at what point do you think they just let chuck and sarah walk off on a beach into the sunset? I mean if they did it at the end of this season and got renewed it would only take an episode to reset the status quo so to speak....do you think they would ever just go for the shippers dream....
Tom, maybe when the show ends. But the shippers have gotten their dream episode a number of times now. They are so selfish. They keep wanting more of what they said they just needed to see and then they would be happy.
ReplyDeleteIt will never end.
Break them up!
Oh Magnus, you know that they will never break them up...that would be so soap drama, gossip girl, oc....they did that last season and certain fans and a single critic tried to take their head off, lol...I would love it, it would strengthen their bond, as they say distance makes the heart grow fonder, or something to that affect...but yeah that ship has sailed. I must admit it never suprises me when crazy fans keep bringing up season 3 but when critics do it like fienberg and sepinwall did the other day, you kind of know something sorta went wrong...
ReplyDeleteBecause people never break up in the real world?
ReplyDeleteYeah normal people do break up and move from girl to girl or boy to boy, but a couple who are in true and pure love? I do not know, because I am only 22 and have never been in true love, I have not yet ever adored another girl so much so that everytime I closed my eyes she would be my every thought and my heart raced by the mere sight of her....maybe if I did then yeah I doubt I would just break up and make up with her, it would be too painful I suppose, but as I said I am a young pup, I do not know.....so maybe, just maybe....
ReplyDeleteYes. People in "true love" break up. Because life isn't simple. I know... your world is about to crumble to the ground now. Sorry to break the news.
ReplyDeletesome people watch tv to escape from the real world and to see there favourite couple break up or not work out there difference then that is sad. Chuck is not a drama series it a comedy/romance/action series, I say leave the drama to greys anatomy. P.s thanks for all your spoilers they are fantastic.
ReplyDeleteWrong. CHUCK is a drama series. Don't believe me? Look it up in the NBC catalog of shows. It isn't defined as a comedy. Hence why people call it a dramedy, since it is a drama with comedic elements.
ReplyDeleteAnd people may watch TV to escape from the real world, but that doesn't mean you should make a show the way a portion of a fandom wants it to be. After all, if some of you had an iota of talent, you would probably be off making your own show instead of criticizing professionals on how they SHOULD be doing their job.
I think at some point chuck and sarah became more that just crazy fans baying for blood if chuck and sarah were not together, at the end of 3.13 (and even now) some critics just lost their temper with how everything played out, I mean Mo Ryan laid into chris fedak big time and Schwedak are still asked if they have any regrets in how season 3 was parsed out....and this is from two of the most level headed tv critics....so yeah break them up and break them up when deemed necessary but be careful because there are more people then some may think out there who will pounce on the show runners if they get it wrong...
ReplyDeleteTim, online critics are just fans who are paid to do what forum fans do... except they use their words better. And let us not forget that Alan is the same guy who PRAISED the show runners for keeping them apart. They are just following the online trend of saying season 3 had problems. Only Mo Ryan was calling them out for it WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING. The only thing the show runners have to answer for was making Shaw the Sarah's romantic interest AFTER they had already seen how it wasn't working well.
ReplyDeleteThey have nothing else to answer for.
I swear you are either fedak or schwartz, lol. I mean Sepinwall ask if they have a plan for the Greta's and their response is that you will get from Greta's what you have already got from them! It is so you! you always say chuck will deliver a show it always delivers! The way they speak...how to answer cryptically being an insider 101....I love it! it drives fans nuts! as do you, in a good way.
ReplyDeleteHehehe. Or, like I have said before, they read this blog (which I know they do).
ReplyDeleteI wonder if they still have cameras in chucks home? I mean they served there purpose when sarah wanted to monitor (check chucks dimensions and performance) chuck, but are they still there? I would like to think not, but casey is still single and may need them to pass the time? No? LOL!
ReplyDeleteThen again Hannah looked very happy.....the day after I mean and it was good enough that she said she would think about it all day....
ReplyDeleteJedd, inching closer and closer to the top of the creeper ladder.
ReplyDeleteWell ok I was joking about chuck and his "features", lol, but you said above in the real world people in true love do break up. Well in the real world people do not say I love you and enter into a full blown relationship without knowing the details........that is what a 3rd date is for I suppose....
ReplyDeleteJedd, OF COURSE THEY DO. People are stupid. They do stupid crap. Like... fall in love.
ReplyDeleteBreaking them up would kill the series. Not because the show is better now than before they came together, but because a return to the pre-S3 (or even to the pre-S3E13) situation is not possible anymore.
ReplyDeleteThe writers choosed for bringing them together from S3E13 and they remained so for almost the length of a season. You (the magnuscificant DR) told yourself that the writers will nor break them up is S4, so at the earliest they can do that in a S5 (if there will be such a thing).
So if there is break up it will happen after more than 30 episodes of togetherness, with all the investments made by the characters in it. To break that up in a believable way can only happen for (a) devestating reason(s) like treason, explicit infidelity, abuse or other out-of-character things like those. The result will be that C+S chemistry and connection are over and the show's character changes completely. Insufficient viewers will be able to identify with C and/or S anymore, turn their backs and thus it will mean the end of the series.
Of course angst, character conflicts between C+S, story-arcs were they are seperated for 1 or 2 episodes, misunderstandings, conflicts of interest between C+S (like spying versus other things), reactions on stressful developments (most exteme would be a pregnant Sarah but I doubt we will see that - at best at the end of S5?) etc are very very welcome. Boring garden-of-eden C+S stories we don't need, that will kill the show as well.
The challange for the writers, actors, NBC etc is to keep C+S together and to keep it interesting and exciting at the same time. They have no other choice anymore. Or just to cancel the show after S4..
Given Yvonne's passion for dogs, some smart tv exec should cast her in a remake of the 'Thin Man' movie(s) which of course stars Asta the dog. I never will make fun of old ladies named "Myrna" again after watching The Thin Man. Maybe a whole generation of young girls will be named Yvonne after our "Sarah" some day? Seems like the 'Charles' are not the future for Chuck and Sarah later in S4 or S5 of Chuck, that is unless Yvonne (or Jason) is named president of Comcast soon.
ReplyDeletePlease... so many things were going to KILL THE SERIES and didn't. Bring it on. KILL IT! I dare the writers!
ReplyDeleteCHICKEN?!
Bored Magnus? Kill casey, split chuck and sarah up.......anything else you want to add? How about kill Morgan or kill Alex or awesome or Ellie or jeffster (actually I want that) something bugging you? You can tell uncle joey
ReplyDeleteJoey, do you even like this show? Kill Morgan?! Kill Alex? Awesome, Ellie, and Jeffster?! You have a lot of nerve to call yourself a CHUCK fan!
ReplyDeleteTo be fair Magnus the shaw arc took chuck from a 3.0 to a 1.7.... If NBC were not in a mess that would have killed the series.
ReplyDeleteChris, can you please send me some of the stuff you are smoking? It must be AWESOME stuff.
ReplyDeleteFirst two were a combined 2.9.
Next was a 2.6.
First episode with Shaw was a 2.5 as was the next episode with Shaw 2.5
The following episode did not have Shaw and was a 2.44.
The horrendous Mask had a 2.23. Then the show went on a break for the Olympics and returned to a 2.43. The audience was so disturbed by the Shaw arc that they abandoned the show to a... oh, 2.3.
And then the Shaw free Tic Tac, which had tons of Chuck and Sarah interaction... oh... 1.9. Oh wait a second, that was DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME. That started a trend.... with another 1.9 and then.... oops... back to 2.1 and 2.1.
You see, there is no proof that Shaw was destroying the show. If anything, it was daylight savings... and then people simply didn't return once they got confused. Mind you, CHUCK wasn't the only show to suffer a similar percentage loss. So, this massive and ridiculous bit of conjecture by the fandom isn't supported by THE FACTS.
And the facts say that Shaw's arc started at a 2.5 and ended on a 2.1. Not 3.0 to a 1.9.
Good god can we please stop talking about Season 3!!!
ReplyDeleteMagnus or anybody else know if the last Orion Laptop going to play some type of role like it has been for the past 2 episodes?
ReplyDeleteI do love the idea that gets trotted out that the Shaw arc killed the show's ratings. I also firmly believe that Daylight Savings and the return of Dancing with the Stars to what were record numbers is what did caused the drop, taking across board drops on the other networks in combination with the shows actual rating's data it looks kind of obvious.
ReplyDeleteI'm just not expecting a proposal until near the end of the season. Maybe the showrunners will suprise me but I expect TPTB want fans to watch the show through out the run and the proposal is a huge huge dangling carrot, either that or they've got another event lined up as a dangling carrot.
I don't understand the rush to have them married. The writers have made it clear that is where its headed, so why not just enjoy and not stress. I also really don't understand the arrogance of parts of the fandom that everybody will stop watching if it doesn't happen by the timeline that they've drawn up in their minds. Fans of the entire show do exist.
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